TromboneAl
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Not totally on topic, but I dragged my wife from Seattle WA to Albany NY (close to RPI in Troy,) for a job. She did not like the smaller town atmosphere and when winter struck we were on the move South.
RPI is a great engineering school, fairly close to Vermont, NYC, Montreal, etc. I think the bigger
risk would be keeping her interested in the area and not wanting to come back home when things get rough.
How's your daughter like Washington U.? We did that tour also, which was probably one of the better ones, (although the kid tour guide wasn't as informative as Carl)..even got a sit down with the Econ Dept head., nice campus.Hey, we have fun here, don't we?
We've had that conversation. The answer is "No." Hudson River surfing sucks and the East River is just way too scary.Rough for whom? She might fall in love with the area (or someone from the area) and want to stay there -- permanently. Then Nords and his wife will need to travel from the warm climate of Hawai'i to almost the Great White North for the holidays (BRRR... )
I hear you.If she knows she is joining the Navy, she should consider a civilian college to round out her education. If she graduates from the USNA, she will have had a Navy-influenced upbringing, a Navy college education, and then lots of Navy training during a Navy career. A civilian college education with NROTC thrown in might not be such a bad thing.
I hear you.
Then she twisted the knife: "The Princeton Review says that the kids at that great liberal-arts college we saw two years ago, Eckerd, all smoke pot. I don't want to go to a school like that."
We retreated from the field in total parental disarray. That's why we're calling in the college tour guides now...
Well, that's our first problem right there-- asking a teenager to engage her amygdala in rational thought.Based on my 3 kids that were all different and reacted totally different to my attempts to get them to think rationally about what they want to be when they grow up.........
Good points highlighting a flaw. I don't see us handling all contingencies on this one. A highly-rated & accredited school could also lead to a huge research center (like Harvard) or a megaplex (like U of Maryland) where the classrooms are 500-seat auditoriums, the TAs wear headset microphones, and there's no professor within hundreds of yards.If she is interested in engineering get her to flush the concept of a "small school." She wants to find a highly rated and accredited school in whatever she wants to major in. The smaller school she goes to the fewer her alternatives will be if she decides to change majors. Tranfers out of engineering usually don't cost much but some schools have very limited choices such as RPI if she like the school or has a really, really good boyfriend there. Switching between universities usually results in major credit losses which cost her time and you mucho dinero.
A major university will have more alternatives and the overall student experience really centers on their major department. A "small university" is really in one's mind. Once she gets into her major she'll be in a "small university" within a larger city with all its opportunities around her.
Oh, she's not at all concerned about that!It's not an easy process. Lots of money is on the line. The decisions that are made now could easily change college costs by $100,000.
It's also referred to as "Taking away all your God-given rights and awarding them one at a time as privileges".At USNA, we lock up students in an almost prison-like environment for the first two years, then gradually give them some freedom with liberty and leave (prison furloughs, if you ask me) and expect them not to engage in serious binge drinking during the time they have liberty or leave? Drinking is a serious problem at the academies -- serious enough for the last Supt to impose some severe breathalizer standards on the Brigade.
That's 'cause USNA is a great place to be [-]from[/-]. Your son has to answer this question for himself, though: If USNA sucked so badly, why did it take him four years to figure that out? If he was so happy at other schools, why did he keep coming back from leave & liberty?!? I quit hundreds of times but somehow I never quite got the paperwork routed up the chain of command. It wasn't because I was enjoying myself, it was because of illegitimi non carborundum. Maybe not a good basis for a continuing relationship, but one that apparently worked for 24 years.However, when he had the chance to go out for leave, he frequently was at Uva, Georgetown, VaTech, and Penn to hang-out.
I think Rice meets all the criteria in spades. The Rice grads that I know are exceptionally well-rounded, smart, unpretentious and good people. Check it out.She's seeking smaller campuses with engineering degrees, NROTC units, and women's basketball teams. Environmental engineering is the flavor of the month but she's also interested in civil, aero, & mechanical. ....
Your post may give the impression that this is a new problem, but I was successfully smuggling beer-binge six-packs into Bancroft Hall in 1979. (I've been meaning to ask someone to check the suspended ceiling above Room 3208.) From what I've read about other schools, though, I think it's endemic to a certain small minority at every college environment-- just given a lot more publicity at USNA. Sports team at State U gets drunk and misogynistic: local news, maybe film at 11. Same thing at USNA: courts-martials and serious implications for the military-industrial complex! Superintendent fears for his career!! Washington Post gives national coverage!!!
Can you imagine breathalyzers at Berkeley or TAMU or Clemson or Yale?
That's 'cause USNA is a great place to be [-]from[/-]. Your son has to answer this question for himself, though: If USNA sucked so badly, why did it take him four years to figure that out? If he was so happy at other schools, why did he keep coming back from leave & liberty?!? I quit hundreds of times but somehow I never quite got the paperwork routed up the chain of command. It wasn't because I was enjoying myself, it was because of illegitimi non carborundum. Maybe not a good basis for a continuing relationship, but one that apparently worked for 24 years.
Thanks, we'll add it to the list.I didn't see Rice University in Houston mentioned in this thread. I think Rice meets all the criteria in spades. The Rice grads that I know are exceptionally well-rounded, smart, unpretentious and good people. Check it out.
I don't know the binge numbers. There's a few topics that DoD has always been reluctant to dig into, and I can't recall any national alcohol studies that included the service academies. They'd make an interesting read! For a real scare on college binge drinking, try Alexandra Robbins' "Pledged".I didn't intend to convey the drinking as a new problem at USNA; I did hope to convey the impression, however, that it is qualitatively different than at most schools, including places like Virginia Tech, UVa or University of Md; maybe I'm wrong about that but I think the percentage of major binge drinking is much higher at USNA than at big State Universities or even small selective private colleges, despite the media attention that the problem gets at USNA. I just was pointing out that it's a bit misdirected to be concerned about pot-smoking students at Eckerd when contrasted with the drinking at the service academies.
Good luck in rounding out your daughter's views.
I think DARE has caused the drug attitudes of the younger teens to be slightly to the right of the John Birch society. They seem to grow out of it, though...
Any research on DARE's long term effectiveness? I know a young woman who was big on DARE when she was a kid. Now she is in narcotics anonymous.
Any research on DARE's long term effectiveness? I know a young woman who was big on DARE when she was a kid. Now she is in narcotics anonymous.
Hmmm, those unintended consequences rear their ugly heads again.D.A.R.E. is ineffective
The U.S. Department of Education concluded in 2003 that the DARE program is ineffective and now prohibits its funds from being used to support it.[7] The U.S. Surgeon General's office, the National Academy of Sciences,[7] and the Government Accounting Office also concluded that the program is sometimes counterproductive in some populations, with those who graduate from DARE later having higher rates of drug use. Studies by Dr. Dennis Rosenbaum [8], and by the California Legislative Analyst's office [9] found that DARE graduates were more likely than others to drink alcohol, smoke tobacco and use illegal drugs.
Politics aside, that study made a big splash. For example, one DARE teen had been told that a drug (heroin? cocaine? I don't remember) was highly addictive. She tried it once, didn't feel addicted, and concluded that everything she'd heard in DARE was a lie. Teen logic, and of course it bit her on the third dose. I suspect that evidence-based medicine would also disapprove of DARE.Any research on DARE's long term effectiveness? I know a young woman who was big on DARE when she was a kid. Now she is in narcotics anonymous.
A friend of mine was a systems engineer in a programming class. On the first day the prof dispensed with the textbook and started talking about a "bubba saur". Of course he was too busy describing the subject to bother to actually write any of it down on the board or use handouts, but he spent three days going over the concept and talking about programming strategies.also check out the ratio of professors from overseas, my friends with majors that involved a lot of math and science were often very stressed out because their professors had heavy accents and/or used different symbols than were common in the US...this is common at Univ' of CA schools...
and started talking about a "bubba saur".
It took over a week for my friend to decrypt that to "bubble sort"...