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Old 01-08-2011, 07:18 PM   #1
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Gabrielle Giffords

What an awful day

I know we're all hoping she recovers and are sad for those who were injured and died today.

My thoughts and prayers go out to their families and loved ones.
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:37 PM   #2
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What an awful day

I know we're all hoping she recovers and are sad for those who were injured and died today.

My thoughts and prayers go out to their families and loved ones.
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Violence like this is beyond senseless. How the shooter was able to maim/kill so many people so quickly just boggles the mind.

So very sad for so many families. Praying for them all.
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This is a stunning tragedy - I would be inclined to attend just such an event and bring my kids along...puts a chill in you...

Just learned one of the victims was a little 9 year old girl...totally breaks my heart.

9-year-old victim of deadly rampage identified | KVOA.com | Tucson, Arizona
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Yes, all very sad. The news on the medical condition of Rep Giffords is better than I'd feared after the first reports.
Best wishes for her recovery and for all those who were injured.
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Nothing can be said that will ease the pain of this tragedy.

Those who have lost their lives would want us to find out why this happened, learn from it, and become a better society.
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There is more to this than meets the eye.

There were juvenile inflammatory statements made, some in print, about 'targeting' this woman. Nut case though the perp may be, a connection is apparent.

If I were her husband, I would bring out some 'guns' of my own. Maybe you can say what you want in the USA, but you cannot escape responsibility/liability for inspiring violent acts.

Or can you? How many Wahabbi clerics are still on US soil?
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Ed, I predict your post is the first shout in the hog-calling contest. The thread will move from sympathetic to political as others will chime in to support or disagree with your opinion, the mud wrestling will intensify and Porky will have the last word.

I think it a shame I've become so jaundiced, but that's how the posting pattern typically goes.
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It is sad. She is in critical condition.

Apparently the shooter has mental problems.

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The suspect had railed against government "mind control" and illiteracy in online missives and had "kind of a troubled past," said Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik.
"There's reason to believe this individual may have a mental issue," Dupnik said.
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Ed, I predict your post is the first shout in the hog-calling contest. The thread will move from sympathetic to political as others will chime in to support or disagree with your opinion, the mud wrestling will intensify and Porky will have the last word.

I think it a shame I've become so jaundiced, but that's how the posting pattern typically goes.
Let's please not let this happen.
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Ed, I predict your post is the first shout in the hog-calling contest. The thread will move from sympathetic to political as others will chime in to support or disagree with your opinion, the mud wrestling will intensify and Porky will have the last word.
Maybe, but I hope not. This is one of those events which is, in some way, an attack on all of us and an attack on our system, regardless of our political affiliations. And the human tragedy element of it should, IMO, allow good people to rise far above the gutter need to fire off gratuitous partisan arguments or capitalize on a tragedy to score political points.

I hope we can show enough respect for the dead and injured to not turn this into a mosh pit.
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An senseless attack on democracy and a loss for us all. My thoughts go to the families who are paying the price for this craziness.
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This is a stunning tragedy - I would be inclined to attend just such an event and bring my kids along...puts a chill in you...

Just learned one of the victims was a little 9 year old girl...totally breaks my heart.

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Absolutely. Just stunningly sad.

I've been trying to catch up on the background, apparently the shooter is not talking. It's tough for me to see this as being actually politically related other than in the most tenuous twisted way in the shooter's mind, considering a 9 YO a 79YO and two 76 YOs were also killed, but we may never know. (edit - that last sentence was not in response to any other post that came in while I was typing this, it was just my feelings, not looking to escalate that further at all)

I've attended these kinds of 'meet and greets' with my reps. It does give you a chill. I hope I can look at this as a horrific, but random event. A local rep was on TV this AM - she said she will not let this get between her and meeting her constituents. Good for her, yet I would respect her position if she felt differently. What a tragedy.

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A true horror.

I was living in Tucson some 10 years ago or so when a deranged nursing student started shooting in class, killing a nursing instructor and injuring others before shooting himself in the head. I knew the guy from a nearby dog park where we both took our dogs. A bunch of us were in a lockdown situation for hours. This latest event brings back the sickening feelings I remember from then.

My heart goes out to the victims and the community.
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Wahoo & Ziggy,

I tried to take care to phrase my thoughts non-politically.

There are enough madmen in the world. IMHO it is irresponsible to encourage them.

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James Fallows has the best take on this:

The Cloudy Logic of 'Political' Shootings

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Shootings of political figures are by definition "political." That's how the target came to public notice; it is why we say "assassination" rather than plain murder.

But it is striking how rarely the "politics" of an assassination (or attempt) match up cleanly with the main issues for which a public figure has stood.
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A true horror.

I was living in Tucson some 10 years ago or so when a deranged nursing student started shooting in class, killing a nursing instructor and injuring others before shooting himself in the head. I knew the guy from a nearby dog park where we both took our dogs. A bunch of us were in a lockdown situation for hours. This latest event brings back the sickening feelings I remember from then.

My heart goes out to the victims and the community.
Rich, I remember that tragic day. I live nearby where the shooting took place yesterday and was planning to pass by the strip mall about the time it took place but was delayed.

Very sad day here.

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James Fallows has the best take on this:

The Cloudy Logic of 'Political' Shootings
Similar to war - the physical expression of political will.
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I truly hope that this was a random act of a lone, deranged man. It is too depressing to think that there may be more to it.

What an awful day for the country!
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Yesterday, in searching the Web to learn more about this tragedy, I ran across a Web site where a reporter was able to get to the killer's blog or some of his Web posts before the authorities took them down. The non-sense postings of this guy were pure ramblings of a madman. Sad as it was, I doubt if we could ever do much to protect ourselves from such insanity.
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