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Old 07-28-2006, 06:26 PM   #21
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Won two elections, my ass.
Dude, even Al Gore has awakened to declare that the election of 2000 is over.
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Old 07-28-2006, 06:39 PM   #22
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It galls, doesn't it?* Keep thinking about it, stewing in it.* Reliving it.* Remember watching the precinct returns come in on election night.* *Feel the anger rising . . .* hate,* Hate,* HATE!!!*
Reminds me of a large number of Saints games I've watched - then my durn sister(a Republican) calls me up and tells me how the Pat's did - as if they didn't post scores during the game I'm watching.

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. . . You likely belong to the same anal, paranoid, delusionary fantasy island as your beloved dubya.
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Funny how politics brings the best out of people. When I vote its for the lesser of the two evils.
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I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You likely belong to the same anal, paranoid, delusionary fantasy island as your beloved dubya.
Man, see what I mean! I'm loving him even more because this is how mad he gets the Dems

I am amazed though that you were able to nail me down so perfectly in only 300 or so odd posts here.

Anyway, unlike most liberals, I don't take this stuff personally. Many of my friends are pinko commie leftists and we can still have a few beers and joke about it. I don't know you, but I bet you're a swell person, just with differing views

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Well, differing views, anyway...
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. . . I'm loving him even more because this is how mad he gets the Dems* *
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The problem with being president is that it takes a few decades to decide how they did. Lincoln has a big monument in Washington and his face on our money. During his presidency, he was villified and attacked relentlessly. He didn't overwhelm anyone at the ballot box. Both elections he won could have gone to someone else with just a little change in the wind or his opponents.

Nixon was treated like a social disease until he died. People/historians are now talking about all of the accomplishments that he did. He's coming up in the rankings. His big crime was being caught protecting his "people" which has probably been done by every president ever elected.

Carter is probably the most moral and decent president we've had in the last 50 years and everything he touched turned to crap. He is generally credited with being useless. He should have started building houses and stayed with it.

Bush wouldn't have been president at all if the Dems would have actually not gone out of their way to find total losers to run against him. He squeeked out minimalist victories despite what I would say were seriously flawed opponents.
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Carter is probably the most moral and decent president we've had in the last 50 years and everything he touched turned to crap.*
Yes, and if we would have followed his energy plan, gas might be about $1/gal. right now, and we wouldn't be beholden to a bunch of dictator regimes, and having to pay for both sides of a war on terror.
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Carter and Hoover - en ga neers as President.

I passed on politics (election board) - volunteered to put playground equipment together - would never run for any office.

Great coffee this morning - instead of posting I should be doing the second half of the lawn.

Nah! - I'm letting the neighbors sleep in on Sunday - I'm a sweetie.

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Yes, and if we would have followed his energy plan, gas might be about $1/gal. right now, and we wouldn't be beholden to a bunch of dictator regimes, and having to pay for both sides of a war on terror.
Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda.....

What did he do? What did he get done and how did the country prosper or lose by the actions? A "proposal" is pretty meaningless in history's evaluation of a president. He had the "bully pulpit" and left little to show for it. Being a one termer also hurt Carter's chances of being a "great" president.

Kennedy is another one that unfortunately didn't have enough time to show what he could do. He was initially blessed for being the "martyred" president. When you look at his record, he had lots of problems and some gains. He didn't stay in office long enough to be really measured.
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Being a one termer also hurt Carter's chances of being a "great" president.
Hm... This raises another question. Where was CFB in the spring of 1979??*
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Hm... This raises another question. Where was CFB in the spring of 1979??*
We really don't want to know....do we? That rabbit coulda been anywhere
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Awwww...I was graduating from high school. Lots of witnesses. I did have a nutty cousin named Bugs that lived in that area...
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Kennedy is another one that unfortunately didn't have enough time to show what he could do.* He was initially blessed for being the "martyred" president.* When you look at his record, he had lots of problems and some gains.* He didn't stay in office long enough to be really measured.
That imperialistic war-mongering drug-abusing womanizer who lied extensively & often to hide his medical problems? With a parent who so manipulated the U.S. stock markets that the government was forced to make him start up the SEC?

Oh, yeah, the one who wrote "Profiles in Courage". Sure, great guy. With a second term he could've made Bill Clinton look like a monk. Sayyyy... now I wonder about their handshake photo...
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With a second term he could've made Bill Clinton look like a monk.* Sayyyy... now I wonder about their handshake photo...
Since you have been reading sci fi since the 1960s is it safe to assume that this is a reference to Tim Powers' "The Anubis Gates"?*
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Jimmy Carter "...enacted strong environmental legislation; deregulated the trucking, airline, rail, finance, communications, and oil industries, bolstered the social security system; and appointed record numbers of women and minorities to significant government and judicial posts. In foreign affairs, Carter's accomplishments included the Camp David Accords, the Panama Canal Treaties, the creation of full diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China, and the negotiation of the SALT II Treaty..."

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Jimmy Carter "...enacted strong environmental legislation; deregulated the trucking, airline, rail, finance, communications, and oil industries, bolstered the social security system; and appointed record numbers of women and minorities to significant government and judicial posts. In foreign affairs, Carter's accomplishments included the Camp David Accords, the Panama Canal Treaties, the creation of full diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China, and the negotiation of the SALT II Treaty..."

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All that may be true. But he was and continues to be ineffective at defending himself against the Republican attack machine.

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I'm sure you could get a similar list for Franklin Pierce who is generally considered the worst president by most. I personally would like to have more attention paid to James Buchanan for that position. It's interesting both are in that period just before the Civil War.

I don't want to start a battle on individual presidents. I'm sure there's a board somewhere that has them. My point was that time is required from when a president's term ends and their performance becomes free from the vested interests of the people that remember them.

One key fact is that there are very few one term presidents that are in the top half of presidental performers. Plus, Carter and Ford are both pretty much considered safely below average. Even though Bill Clinton had two terms he is right around the middle. Most presidents fall in their "evaluations" as time goes on.

I doubt many people remember what political parties Filmore, Teddy Roosevelt, Hayes, Harding or Jefferson represented. When no one really cares anymore then we can honestly talk about them.
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Oh come on. We can only go so far on mortgages, inflation, annuities and taking early social security...
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