The Saudis oil and the Bushes

[bssc]

The Dems are still too busy hating Bush to do anything constructive. Fer crying out loud he'll be gone 20 months. GET OVER IT and do something productive about the problem.

The Democrats have to hate Bush. All the candidates have this as their central platform because it is a very popular thing to do. And any Republican candidate will have to support Bush a la Hubert Humphrey supporting LBJ.

 

[jefipius]

We need to develop our known reserves, ( ANWAR off shore CA, FL, and deep water deposits in the Gulf) and and increase productioin capacity in order to get out of this Middle East mess. Also construct wind farms where they are most effective instead if the NIMBY attitude. ...

Realistically, developing known reserves does very little to insure energy 'independence'. It would only raise the world supply (and only by a modest amount).
This oil would be brought to market by multi-nationals and sold on the open market to the highest bidder. If that be the Chinese, so be it. If this oil were somehow 'reserved' for domestic use and sold at market rate it would just be a big shell game. If sold at lower than market rate we'd hear the cry of price controls.

Energy Independence really requires that we use less oil. There's only two ways to do this - conservation and alternative sources. Both are not likely to be cheap in the short run, but really folks, what's the _true_ cost of oil? (Political, Economic, Environmental, etc.)

 

[jefipius]

There seems to be some confusion about "impeachment." Widespread hatred of the president and/or vice president is not an impeachable offense.

Since Bill Clinton was actually guilty of a felony (he later confessed pleaded no contest and lost his law license) and wasn't removed from office, I must assume the actual level of "crime" is pretty high to be removed. BC was impeached but the Senate decided they didn't want to really examine it.

He was impeached, but acquitted. As part of a deal, he later admitted to "knowingly (giving) misleading testimony" and had his license suspended for 5 years. He was never convicted of (or confessed to) a felony. The charges were dropped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/19/clinton.lewinsky/

 

[2B]

He was impeached, but acquitted. As part of a deal, he later admitted to "knowingly (giving) misleading testimony" and had his license suspended for 5 years. He was never convicted of (or confessed to) a felony. The charges were dropped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/19/clinton.lewinsky/

I guess it comes down to what "it" means. The Slickmeister admitted to "knowingly misleading." That sounds like admitting to perjury to me. Anyone else would have gone to Federal prison.

 

[jefipius]

I guess it comes down to what "it" means. The Slickmeister admitted to "knowingly misleading." That sounds like admitting to perjury to me. Anyone else would have gone to Federal prison.

I'm not trying to argue whether he should have gone to prison or not (not being a Senator, lawyer, or Judge, my opinion is moot anyway). You said he was a convicted felon, but he isn't. I was just clarifying.

 

[OKLibrarian]

*breaks self imposed silence on all politically-themed threads*

All this debate over whether Clinton or GWB is going to have the better legacy is like trying to determine the tallest midget in the circus. They're both corrupt truth-twisting morons. What does that say about we the people who elected them? (Yes, Bush was elected at least once. And we didn't exactly rise up en masse in 2000 to oppose the supreme court's appointment, so we got what we deserved there too). I prefer my team's truth-twisting morons because they didn't send American boys to their deaths for no good reason (this time around anyway).

I could say more, but I've already p!ssed myself off sufficiently. I think I'm going to go bang my head against the wall for a few moments, then start dinner.

*resumes self-imposed silence on all politically themed threads*

 

[jefipius]

*breaks self imposed silence on all politically-themed threads*

All this debate over whether Clinton or GWB is going to have the better legacy is like trying to determine the tallest midget in the circus. They're both corrupt truth-twisting morons. What does that say about we the people who elected them? (Yes, Bush was elected at least once. And we didn't exactly rise up en masse in 2000 to oppose the supreme court's appointment, so we got what we deserved there too). I prefer my team's truth-twisting morons because they didn't send American boys to their deaths for no good reason (this time around anyway).

I could say more, but I've already p!ssed myself off sufficiently. I think I'm going to go bang my head against the wall for a few moments, then start dinner.

*resumes self-imposed silence on all politically themed threads*

I'd have to disagree slightly.

I'd say that Bush is a corrupt truth-twisting moron, while Clinton was a corrupt truth-twisting letch.

The rest is 100% spot on....

 

[OKLibrarian]

I don't disagree with letch, but I stand behind moron as well. The freaking RHODES SCHOLAR should have known what would have happened the instant the republicans got wind of his oval office shenanigans (which they inevitably would), and kept his bloody pants zipped.

Sorry, hell hath no fury like a southern liberal feminist scorned...

Dang it! Dinner! Now!

*shuts off computer for a bit*

 

[jefipius]

I don't disagree with letch, but I stand behind moron as well. The freaking RHODES SCHOLAR should have known what would have happened the instant the republicans got wind of his oval office shenanigans (which they inevitably would), and kept his bloody pants zipped.

Sorry, hell hath no fury like a southern liberal feminist scorned...

Dang it! Dinner! Now!

*shuts off computer for a bit*

I'll give you that. I won't surprised if Bush gets 'Letch' as well. There's just something fishy about Bush and Rice's relationship...

 

[OKLibrarian]

I'll give you that. I won't surprised if Bush gets 'Letch' as well. There's just something fishy about Bush and Rice's relationship...

Nothing would surprise me at this point.