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Old 08-03-2005, 03:47 PM   #21
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The Chinese government has tortured and killed vast numbers of their own citizens. In many cases, their only "crime" was following a religion not approved by the government (such as Christianity). It is estimated that 10 million Christians alone in China were tortured or killed for their beliefs. The US is not perfect, but at least they don't send secret police to imprison peaceful worshipers.

I don't mind the US spending more on defense than the rest of the world combined, as long as the government doesn't start slaughtering civilians for no good reason. The mass slaughter in places such as China and the Sudan is pretty appalling.

Just keep the people in charge of China away from here. I don't trust them.
Interesting world view. Let's see--China is militaristic and dangerous. Their history is xenophobic--why do you think they built the wall? They have a decidedly unmilitaristic history. Do they go around invading other sovereign nations on false pretexts? Well, I guess Tibet counts, so yes. But at least their pretext, as distasteful as it might have been, was based on something resembling truth, unlike the WMD lies the leaders of the US told its population.

China has been a nuclear power for quite a while. As yet, they have not used these weapons (unlike the US, which used nukes on civilian populations). Their per capita oil consumption is some small fraction of an American's, yet Americans are willing to fear-monger and call them greedy?

I don't trust the people in charge of China either, not any further than I trust Bush.

I think as Americans, we'd better be careful who we call aggresive, militaristic, and greedy. The cold hard facts are not kind to America in this regard. What was done to the American Indian to bring about "manifest destiny" can only be described as genocide. In fact, Hitler held it up in Mein Kampf as the perfect example of how Germany should treat the Jews.

Oh yes, imprisonment. Which nation jails the highest proportion of their population for political crimes (meaning crimes with no victims, that are only crimes because the government says so)? One guess. Not pre-war Iraq, not Iran, not China.

Sorry about this long rant. It just never ceases to amaze me how differently people can view the world. I love the US, but feel that Americans have very little justification to be as self-righteous as many are. Just my soon to be revalued $.02.
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Re: China and the Final War for Resources
Old 08-03-2005, 04:43 PM   #22
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....Japan is a peaceful nation with no military aspirations. China has been rapidly building up its military, and is potentially very dangerous.
Japan peaceful? I lived there a year. Peaceful would not be the word that comes to mind. Maybe passive-agressive, with no opportunity to act on the agression part. Just because they haven't invaded any countries in the past 50 years does not the equate with peacefulness.

I would be surprised if someone could read first hand GI accounts of fighting in war against the Japanese (say in WWII) or the accounts of the Japanese invasion of China, the raping of women until they died presumably of exhaustion, and still consider the people peaceful. {DELETED}
Then there are the women kidnapped to be passed around as disposable Japanese soldier pleasure.
Or the women, again publicly tied down, who dies {DELETED} from infection {DELETED}
Read any thesis or writing by a lawyer, psychiatrist, or prosecutor specializing in rape; it's not an expression of peace.

To toss babies in the air and catch them on bayonets is not peaceful.
To wantonly chop off innocent civilians' heads is not peaceful.
To round up a group of men and then use their living, breathing bodies for bayonet practice is not peaceful.

W(here) {DELETED}] do you get your supercilious arrogance?

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I am well aware of Japan's history, and the unwillingness of many of their victims to forgive them.
Riiiiight. Like how the Jews have trouble forgiving Nazi Germany. Like how african americans have trouble forgiving the slave-owning white man.

What really struck me about the japanese when I lived there was how immensely popular and available is pornography. Walk into any bookstore/newstand and you'll find twice as many different porno rags as on house and garden, finance, etc.
Draw your own conclusions based on your personal feelings about pornography.

The only passport I've ever owned, since the age of four, is American. But I truly don't understand the attitude- only we THE US in the world should have nuclear weapons, or a powerful military, or at least America should dictate who in the world can.
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Old 08-03-2005, 07:50 PM   #23
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Do they go around invading other sovereign nations on false pretexts?
Er, I guess the point that I was trying to make was that China has actively engaged in warfare with the United States since WWII, and Japan has not. There is little danger of Japanese forces launching an attack on the United States, while China regularly threatens to attack US forces in Taiwan. It is not an idle threat.

I am an American, and think in terms of who may try to harm us.

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I don't trust the people in charge of China either, not any further than I trust Bush.
I trust Bush not to throw me in prison for being a Christian. China has done just that to their citizens. I don't agree with everything President Bush does, but he is easier to live with than a government that violently persecutes people for their beliefs.

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Which nation jails the highest proportion of their population for political crimes (meaning crimes with no victims, that are only crimes because the government says so)?
This is a problem.
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