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Old 10-12-2005, 08:14 AM   #41
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Ahhhh yes.* The modern neo-con defense.* If someone points out a deficiency in any Republican, don't try to address it . . . turn your attack machine on a Democrat.* *
True, but that's the mechanism used by many from BOTH parties. Some of the rhetoric gets pretty old.*
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Re: How Boom of 2006 Ended - Article
Old 10-12-2005, 02:15 PM   #42
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True, but that's the mechanism used by many from BOTH parties. Some of the rhetoric gets pretty old.*
Ahhh . . . and now the toned-down version of the neo-con defence by attack. When your own party is so obvioulsy corrupt or at fault that you can't even find a Democrat as reprehensible, then use the blanket, "there's enough blame to go around" defense.

It still doesn't address the issue, but it sometimes convinces people who seek reasoned debate to tone down their attacks.
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Ahhh . . . and now the toned-down version of the neo-con defence by attack.* When your own party is so obvioulsy corrupt or at fault that you can't even find a Democrat as reprehensible, then use the blanket, "there's enough blame to go around" defense.*

It still doesn't address the issue, but it sometimes convinces people who seek reasoned debate to tone down their attacks.* *
Well folks........I rest my case.* :
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Well folks........I rest my case.* :
That's good. Because you've made no case. You have simply tried to divert attention from the original observation. A "case" would have discussed that observation, not simply tried to mollify criticism by pointing out that the opposing party has faults too. Do the neo-cons really not understand this distinction between logical argument and political rhetoric? Or is it just that in the past few years the FOX news type of analysis has made them comfortable and intellectually lazy?
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It's been an interesting year for me, personally, my parents are hard core liberals, so I was, too. Then I went to college, majored in Econ., and really got into the idea of fiscal responsibility, smaller government, and became a moderate, but true believer Republican. Never really liked Bush as a choice, was glad when Congress changed hands. Well, I have now repudiated the GOP, and have decided that while I will always vote, I'll stay an Independent. The GOP has the White House, the Senate, and the House, yet the country is still being run into the ground, especially in ways (fiscally) that are supposed to be their forte. And the best defense they can come up with is to talk about Clinton's peccadilloes? Sick and sad. At this point I would like to see the branches of the government split between the parties. There is just no checks and balances against the arrogance and corruption of the incumbent party (think 250 million dollar bridge to nowhere in Alaska).

Hey GOPers, I hate to say scoreboard, but what, seven of the eight trillion dollar debt has been run up by Repubs? I agree with CT that we are masking a recession, I'd be curious to see what our GDP growth would look like if you subtracted government spending they couldn't pay for...
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OK, I've read all this. I'm a liberal, but I accept that we have a republican president in power along with the congress and supreme court. I'm not going to fight it ... somehow the general population keeps voting for them no matter what. What concerns me is: what can I do to protect my money so it will last till my wife and I die?
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OK, I've read all this.* I'm a liberal, but I accept that we have a republican president in power along with the congress and supreme court.* I'm not going to fight it ... somehow the general population keeps voting for them no matter what.* What concerns me is: what can I do to protect my money so it will last till my wife and I die?*
Just hope that the general population wakes up soon and quits voting for them.
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Just hope that the general population wakes up soon and quits voting for them.
I know I have stated my position many times in many different ways.
I find many aspects of the Bush presidency appalling. Still, if I voted,
I would vote for "Dubya" in a heartbeat over any dem/liberal
that I can think of. No contest, no-brainer.

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You could be right about that, but what would Gore's response to 9/11 have been?
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I would vote for "Dubya" in a heartbeat over any dem/liberal
that I can think of.* No contest, no-brainer.*
I understand that - you have lots and lots of company - I'm not going to fight it.* I accept it.* Now what do I (we) do to protect my (our) assets from the results of your (and the majority of the voting public) desires to have these guys run the country?
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You could be right about that, but what would Gore's response to 9/11 have been?
Convene a committee and study why tall buildings collapse and write new federal mandates to be used for all buildings over 10 stores. *
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I understand that - you have lots and lots of company - I'm not going to fight it.* I accept it.* Now what do I (we) do to protect my (our) assets from the results of your (and the majority of the voting public) desires to have these guys run the country?
Learn the words to "O Canada!"

What are you worried about?* *Cronyism?* *Executive privilege.* *Debt?* *The alternative is taxes.* *War?* *The alternative is the erosion of our "rights" to vital natural resources.* *Lies?* Nature of the Power Beast.
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I understand that - you have lots and lots of company - I'm not going to fight it.* I accept it.* Now what do I (we) do to protect my (our) assets from the results of your (and the majority of the voting public) desires to have these guys run the country?
In a nutshell. They do not represent my "desire" for people to be running the country. I only am firm in my support due to the alternatives
I am offered (libs/dems/left wingers/witless do-gooders). I don't feel safer with "these guys" running the country. To the contrary, I figure
I need to be on my toes protecting what I have no matter who is in
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You could be right about that, but what would Gore's response to 9/11 have been?
Very few disputed Afganistan. - Europe even supported that war. - It was actually connected with an attack on the U.S. -
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Convene a committee and study why tall buildings collapse and write new federal mandates to be used for all buildings over 10 stores. *
How about a new federal program where citizens receive cash
rewards for turning in anyone who looks suspicious, guilty of a crime or not. *We could harness the Internet to expedite the process.
Good name for the program would be TIPPER.............

Turn In Plebeian People Expecting Reward

The *government loves acronyms *

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Despite the glib responses, no one really knows how Al Gore would have responded to 9/11.* He might have chosen to fight a war on terrorism (Afganistan) then involve us in a second war in Iraq by lying.* He might have chosen to spend money he didn't have on these wars while granting huge tax breaks to the wealthy.* He may have dismantled FEMA and put a horse expert in charge of it.* Maybe Al would have dismantled alternative energy policy and given the oil companies free reign.

If he did those things, I would be against them and would openly criticize him.* But I don't really see how speculation about Gore's response changes what GWB has done.* *
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Best way to start a thread that lasts for days and days...talk politics :P
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What is amazing to me, is that a lot of the folks that claim to hate discussing politics like the following old Ol_Rancher post, is actually the one that first brought up politics in response #14 in this thread.

Ol_Rancher Claiming his disgust for political discussions last year.


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I too object to this thread. Until now this is one of only a few forums where issues have been discussed with a minimum of politics.

Please delete this thread before name calling begins ...

We have many other sites on the net to argue this Kerry vs Bush.

The AARP forums were ruined by the invasion of young (20 somethings) leftists insulting members. It didn't take long before many quit the boards disgusted.

I will not read any more posts to this thread. If the election political discourse spills over to other threads I will leave this site for good.
Ol_Rancher fires the first Volley in this thread.
Ol_Rancher Telling us how Awful it will be, if the Repubs lose the White House and the Gloom and doom we'll face, until we get someone like Reagan in. Nope he does not like to discuss politics :


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Well it is interesting to read that someone else sees stagflation as a probable economic senerio for* the nation. Although there is a case for it beginning now or having begun already, I foresee it more clearly in the not too distant future.

Worst probable case: Republicans lose white house. Tax increases follow, entitlements come due, government prints money to pay it, benefits are trimmed, earnings fall, market moves sideways for a long time, unemployment worstens, productivity keeps pace or improves to mitigate recession ...

I avoided terrorist disruption or real estate collapse as maybe an even worse senerio is possible but I hope not probable.

I am now in 25% cash (MMs, CDs,) for the first time rather than nearly all equities. My pension valuation serves as my bond portion of portfolio. Even my equity positions are now mostly income or growth/ income or balanced mutual funds. I am hoping the dividends thrown off by the income portion of the funds ease the possible long wait until real robust growth returns.

The last period of stagflation seemed to last a long time and took a vigorus new Fed chairman and Preident (Regan) to shake of the malaise and stagflation.




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What is amazing to me, is that a lot of the folks that claim to hate discussing politics like the following old Ol_Rancher post, is actually the one that first brought up politics in response #14 in this thread.

Ol_Rancher Claiming his disgust for political discussions last year.



Ol_Rancher Telling us how Awful if the Repubs lose the White House and the Gllom and doom we'll face, until we get someone like Reagan in. Nope he does not like to discuss politics :






I say lets git a rope
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Cutthroat,

I just noticed that cool new avatar you have. I can't remember ever seeing a trout take a flying bug, but you have spent a lot more time on the river than I. Does this happen?

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