Balance between ER and living for today

flipstress said:
...now I find myself flinching when girlfriends tell me of $60-haircuts or when I'm with them eating out and they order a full-course dinner and we're splitting the bill.... Maybe I'll travel someday, maybe not.

I do take much pleasure in reading, watching borrowed DVDs on our projector (thanks, th!), occasionally playing the half-dozen chords that I know on the guitar, biking and walking around the neighborhood, and I used to rollerblade before I had a yard.   I've also been turning from a reluctant gardener to one who enjoys it.  I have to admit that I am a home-body...

I whole-heartedly agree with what you said Flipstress.  It's difficult sometimes when for DW/I feel so different from our peers regarding the paths we choose for our dollars.  I think it takes some reflection and celebration of the things you truly enjoy, even if they seem so different from everyone else.

Finding a balance between today and tomorrow is also incredibly difficult for me.  I keep trying though.  Looking forward to all of the options that FI allows  ;)
 
bow-tie said:
I think it takes some reflection and celebration of the things you truly enjoy, even if they seem so different from everyone else.

Well-put, bow-tie.  I sometimes used to think that something was wrong with me--why am I not curious enough or adventurous enough to travel?  Duh, everyone just likes different things or some like similar things but at different times.

On the other hand, I enjoy it when my friends tell me of their visits and show me their pictures.  Some of them travel cheaply, and they save on other things to be able to do so.  My vicarious travel through them is even cheaper for me and is fine for now.

Aye, living for today and living for tomorrow are hard to balance.  Who was it that said something like "how you live the day-to-day is how you live your life" or "how you spend your days is how you spend your life"?  Hmmm--I have to look it up.  Living for today does not necessarily mean having/doing big things all the time but once in a while, as C-T and others have advised, having or doing one big thing that really matters to one's self makes life delicious.
 
Flipstress,

Like you, I tend to be the homebody. I typically hate going out on weeknights after I get home. I would rather put on some walking/running shoes and head out the door for a jog. After exercise and shower, I'd prefer to make something healthy for dinner... like stir-fry, or mabye BBQed chicken. I also like to take the acoustic guitar out into the backyard and play some old favorites or make something up.

Ah...the simple life. That's my ideal.

Unfortunately, I feel mired in committments, and all too often have to make something quick, and head out the door for a 7:00 meeting, or to transport a child somewhere.

I'm not too interested in being a world traveler. There is so much of the US that I've never seen. I like traveling okay, but I get sick of living in hotel rooms and restaraunt food.

There's no place like home....

Mike
 
I love to travel and see distant places, but I try to balance it with a simple life at home. Also, the big trips I've taken lately (leaving for Germany next week!) have been to visit friends working abroad. I'm lucky in that aspect. I pay the airfare and they pick up the tab when I'm there.

I always fret over using my vacation days, but we can carry over 30 into the new year, and between earned time and holidays, I have about 7 weeks a year, so I can't complain.
 
   A co-worker of mine had the chance to retire two years before he did - guess he enjoyed the job.  Six weeks after retiring, he died in his sleep of a massive heart attack.
   Then again, there are no guarantees for those who don't work outside the home either.  Couple of weeks ago, co-worker came home and found his wife (age 58) dead -- heart attack in that case, too.  Ironicaly, doc had given her a clean bill of health just a few weeks before....
   DH and I make sure we take all of our vacation, too. (we both work for a company that has a use it or lose it policy, too) We've done a fair bit of traveling, so from that standpoint, if something happened tomorrow, I wouldn't have that regret....
 
VoyT said:
   A co-worker of mine had the chance to retire two years before he did - guess he enjoyed the job.  Six weeks after retiring, he died in his sleep of a massive heart attack.
   Then again, there are no guarantees for those who don't work outside the home either.  Couple of weeks ago, co-worker came home and found his wife (age 58) dead -- heart attack in that case, too.  Ironicaly, doc had given her a clean bill of health just a few weeks before....
   DH and I make sure we take all of our vacation, too. (we both work for a company that has a use it or lose it policy, too) We've done a fair bit of traveling, so from that standpoint, if something happened tomorrow, I wouldn't have that regret....

I have posted in the past extensively on this topic (friends, relatives, and
associates long gone way short of my ripe old age). I can only smile
when people speak of how they will spend their retirement years,
"some day". It's pretty sad actually. "Some day" will never come for
a lot of them.

JG
 
MRGALT2U said:
I have posted in the past extensively on this topic (friends, relatives, and
associates long gone way short of my ripe old age).  I can only smile
when people speak of how they will spend their retirement years,
"some day".  It's pretty sad actually.  "Some day" will never come for
a lot of them.JG

Yeah, I guess my "some day" solely represents the financial means to decide what I want to do everyday after I wake up.  Every day I get closer.  That being said, if I find out tomorrow that I have 6 weeks to live, I can't say there is anything that is knawing at me that I haven't done.  I have a beautiful DW, great family (well, for the most part) that I make sure I spend time with, a roof over my head, food in the cupboard, my Chevelle, and I've seen some pretty bitchin' sunsets.  No regrets.  Simple pleasures I guess...
 
73ss454 said:
Bow Tie
What type of Chevelle do you have?

Ha! I was hoping you would ask that. Its a '72 Malibu... don't let the '350' on the fender fool ya, its a .030 over 454. hee hee ;)

I wanted to ask you if the 73ss454 was for your ride...
 
Cool!
Yea mine is a 73 454 4 spd Chevelle.SS
Take a look on the cover of Hemmings Muscle Machines from Sept.04
Let me know what you think.
Did you even know they made an SS 454 in 73?
Regards,
JOE
 
73ss454 said:
Cool!
Yea mine is a 73 454 4 spd Chevelle.SS
Take a look on the cover of Hemmings Muscle Machines from Sept.04
Let me know what you think.
Did you even know they made an SS 454 in 73?
Regards,
JOE

C'mon... I'd have my 'Velle taken away if I didn't know that. :D
So it's a BBC 4-speed, huh?  That kicks ass...
Can I find the Hemmings pic on the web?
 
Sorry Helen,

I've successfully hi-jacked your post...
 
Go into Hemmings.com and fish around a little and you should be able to find it.
JOE
 
bow-tie said:
Sorry Helen,

I've successfully hi-jacked your post...

Not a problem, bow-tie.

I wanted to post to all those who worked with people who have died so young. It's a pretty sad thing and it's terribly unsettling.

I was suprised at how many people some of you know that have died so young.

I'm sorry for your losses.

-helen
 
After looking at the stats for my job and finding that most people die within 5 years of retirement (around 55), and coming here I got the ER bug real bad. Unfortunately the wife was uh....ok....ya....sure....whatever. This year she was out of work for 2.5 months after brain surgery to remove a tumor. Now that she's back to about 99%, her additude is what are we waiting for, why aren't we retired yet? It's kind of refreshing.

The bad part of it all is we didn't get to take much of a vacation last year and it looks the same this year, darned medical issues. :mad: At least the wife and I are now on the same page and savings/motivation are definately at a high point.
 
lets-retire said:
The bad part of it all is we didn't get to take much of a vacation last year and it looks the same this year, darned medical issues.  :mad: 

That's one reason why I'm a big fan of retiring, or at least semi-retiring as early as you can.  Don't make plans now for your future long vacations when you are 65.  You may not get there or as in the case above, your medical problems may prevent you from leaving your house.

If you can build up a good reserve for yourself that can give you even 75% of the SWR you need, then quit your full-time work and get a part-time, hopefully more enjoyable job, that can supplement the rest of your needed income.  This will reduce your stress and give you more time to enjoy your life.
 
To ease the thread back on topic. (OK, I hanker for a 67 Goat, and DW says it's gotta be topless, she loves to go topless, but that's another thread) I think there is a definite advantage to have an age-based ER equation, as opposed to a Funds based requirement. We finally figured out that we wanted to ER, preference for FIRE but neverthe less ER 7 years ago, when I was 43 and DW was 42. Our public service jobs require age 50 minimum to receive any sort of pension whatsoever. Since at that ephipany moment we had no savings, we embarked on doing some catchup, but realistically we were never going to acquire tons-o-dough based on putting away 7 or 8K a piece for 7 years. My thought in those heady days was we'd end up with about 100k x 2 at the end of the road. Serious money, but that was long before I learned about the 4 percent rule. I was assuming we could draw oh say 10 percent per year, (I told you I had no clue during the late 90's, it DID seem real easy to make money with money) but at the end of the day, our expenses were going to have to be covered by our DBP's.

OK as it happened, life changed a few parameters, some for the better, one for the very much worse, but through the whole period we never denied ourselves the "fun" stuff. I'm not saying we flew to Europe for a month or two, but we enjoyed our moderately expensive hobbies (I have 30 examples of the Icon in my Sig for instance) and took time off from work to smell the roses, always had one totally reliable vehicle, and another me to commute (current auction purchased Lincoln Mark VIII), and managed to get to pretty close to debt free with a goal of total debt freedom by next April Fools when I finally opt out. We'll end up with a couple more years of Mortage, but that's doable.

We enjoyed life, never lived below our effective means, and will have to slightly reduce our expenses when I ER (DW is already there) but not enough to significantly change the lifestyle we enjoy, and we're planning to use what remains of that savings nestegg to fund our "fun" fund for those Europe trips we've never had the "time" to do right. We're convinced we played the hand the best we could, no regrets, and I CAN'T WAIT to join DW at home.
 
I'm reading this thread after getting home from a 6 p.m. dinner meeting related to my work -- and I semi-retired myself a year ago! Clearly, I'm still doing something wrong here.

I'm really sensitive to the "dying early" syndrome noted above. My father died at 51 of a heart attack, his father at 38 of a kidney problem (from which allegedly no one dies today). My goal is to live to at least 89 -- and I think I'll make it. Really quitting the "rat race," though, has got to be a part of any longevity.

Retirement is two years and one month away. We're financially ready but waiting for my daughter to get out of college. I don't want to wish my life away, but I hope those two years pass quickly.
 
Jonny M,
So, let me understand this correctly - 7 years ago you had no savings, some debt and a mortage. in April 2006 you and the DW will have a pension and only the mortage (health insurance?)

I think this is fantastic. I think it points out that this whole "Do I have enough to retire" is a matter of perspective.

Please don't tell me you worked for the government and will have a pension with a COLA and health insurance included. It would take the risk aspect out of the equation.
 
We have been socking away as much as possible since we got married 5 years ago. We are both 51 and want to retire before 60. Divorce side tracked me from my goal of ER in the middle 90's. Now we are back on track, but I still have trouble with vacations. It just does not seem worth the 5k to take a week on an island or the 10k to go to Europe. I don't know if we will ever have enough to live the good life, but we both experience joy with simple things.
 
xprinter said:
. It just does not seem worth the 5k to take a week on an island or the 10k to go to Europe. I don't know if we will ever have enough to live the good life, but we both experience joy with simple things.

Now, reread what you posted and see if you can find a problem
or contradiction.

JG
 
In ER, the need to get outta Dodge - aka travel evaporated rapidly. The rationale would probably take several forms - but number one - the need to put distance between us and the job turned out to be a big driver.

Passage of time, age, health are lessor factors - but part of it also.

We did our Europe, Island, and cruise thingy while still working.

Thinking cheap the first ten years of ER - means we could afford the trips now - but there is no enthusiasm for going.
 
Thinking cheap the first ten years of ER - means we could afford the trips now - but there is no enthusiasm for going.

As Warren Buffett said "don't postone sex for your old age" :D

Life is not a Dress Rehearsal. - If you've got a few extra bucks, get out there and enjoy it. - You can't line your coffin with it! 8)
 
My neighbor said it best - we can't wait to get out to the camp for the summer - and here you go hooking up the RV or rushing to the airport to go somewhere else.

After ER - we finally got it.

An aside - sex and travel aren't the same thing - heh, heh, heh, heh, heh.

There is a Viagra joke in there somewhere - but it escapes me.
 
I'm 32. My wife is 34. I plan on retiring before age 50, and should be able to do so comfortably. My wife and I have been saving money in various retirement and non-retirement accounts for quite awhile (we have amassed around 250 G total so far), so I think it's a goal that will be able to be easily attained. We both have steady employment (teachers in a public school district), and with the way our current pension and benefits package is structured, retiring at that young of an age seems like a no brainer.

At the same time, we don't neglect "living for today". We have a nice house with a nice sized mortgage. We both drive 5-6 year old cars that have low mileage (they're paid off). We take at least 2 vacactions per year with our 2 kids.

There is a delicate balance that needs to be achieved, but planning for ER and living (and enjoying youself) for today is possible if you budget your money accordingly and make wise decisions.
 
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