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put this in young dreamers because we are pretty far away from FIRE, but we're going to be making some big decisions in the next 6-12 months that will have some big implications on our cash flow and rate of return for the next decade or two. Top of the list is buying our first (ane perhaps last?) home.
Context: We are DINKs, and plan to stay that way for reasons both medical and personal. We have crunched the numbers, and it looks like at our current savings rate an "independantly middle-class" (love that term!) lifestyle could be ours in 15 years easily, 10 if we scrimp and/or find some more income. We are also planning on buying our first home in the next 6 months to a year, depending on how long it takes us to get 20% down payment, closing costs, and cushion together (as of right now we're a bit past halfway there, and waiting on an inheritance payout that should get us most of the rest of the way). Now, the plan thus far has been to buy a smallish 3-bedroom house in a nice urban neighborhood here in Tulsa, winding up with monthly shelter costs (including taxes, etc.) about 1.75x what we pay now to be sheltered, lighted, and watered in our apartment. This is still well within our savings goals, especially if DH's earning potential keeps going up.
The twist: however, over my lunch break today, I was leafing through the local real estate brochures, and saw several nice-looking 3-bed condos that were going for about 2/3rds of our target price. I know full well that condo fees would eat up a portion of the cash flow savings, but a few back of the envelope calculations indicated that we could trade up for about what we're paying for shelter costs now, even taking estimated fees into account, and we wouldn't have to go to the fuss of buying a lawnmower and/or hiring a neighbor kid to deal with the yard. We'd even have enough money in savings to buy one today, if we were so inclined. My inner Scrooge MacDuck was thrilled at what I saw, and we REALLY don't want to have to extend our lease another year (it's up in august) but I have a few misgivings about this new strategy.
The Questions:
1. How well do condos keep/improve their value? I've heard that they appreciate much more slowly than houses, but I don't know how much of that is scaremongering.
2. Is there an easy way to find out how many of the condo units are occupied by renters? For obvious reasons we'd like a community that is mostly owner-inhabited.
3. Is there an easy way to find out the financial state of the condo association (state of reserve account, looming special assessments, etc.)? I know to go over to the courthouse to check and see if there are any pending/recent legal actions involving the community.
4. I know you can't predict the future, and a lot of this depends on the place we pick, but we want to be in a place that will be a safe, reliable post-FIRE base of operations for a reasonable length of time. Is it realistic to envision staying in a condo for decades on end, or is it more likely for the neighborhood to slip to a point that we might be forced to move at some point post-fire to protect our equity?
5. Are there issues to condo ownership that aren't occuring to me?
I think DH and I are going to scope out some open houses this weekend, maybe grab copies of the communities' covenants and see if they are even comprehensible to us. We are interested in finding a place to live in, and perhaps trade up if a great deal arises at some point, but we have enough hassles in our life without getting into the landlord business. I'm really interested in hearing from folks who went the condo route, as well as people who contemplated it but didn't. I really want to figure out the catches that explain why condos are so much cheaper, and sort out if they're things we're willing to live with. We want a place where we can stay long term, and where we can live years at a stretch or take off for a 6-month vacation with minimal fuss. We also want a place that has a good chance of appreciating--or that at least won't depreciate. Thoughts?
Context: We are DINKs, and plan to stay that way for reasons both medical and personal. We have crunched the numbers, and it looks like at our current savings rate an "independantly middle-class" (love that term!) lifestyle could be ours in 15 years easily, 10 if we scrimp and/or find some more income. We are also planning on buying our first home in the next 6 months to a year, depending on how long it takes us to get 20% down payment, closing costs, and cushion together (as of right now we're a bit past halfway there, and waiting on an inheritance payout that should get us most of the rest of the way). Now, the plan thus far has been to buy a smallish 3-bedroom house in a nice urban neighborhood here in Tulsa, winding up with monthly shelter costs (including taxes, etc.) about 1.75x what we pay now to be sheltered, lighted, and watered in our apartment. This is still well within our savings goals, especially if DH's earning potential keeps going up.
The twist: however, over my lunch break today, I was leafing through the local real estate brochures, and saw several nice-looking 3-bed condos that were going for about 2/3rds of our target price. I know full well that condo fees would eat up a portion of the cash flow savings, but a few back of the envelope calculations indicated that we could trade up for about what we're paying for shelter costs now, even taking estimated fees into account, and we wouldn't have to go to the fuss of buying a lawnmower and/or hiring a neighbor kid to deal with the yard. We'd even have enough money in savings to buy one today, if we were so inclined. My inner Scrooge MacDuck was thrilled at what I saw, and we REALLY don't want to have to extend our lease another year (it's up in august) but I have a few misgivings about this new strategy.
The Questions:
1. How well do condos keep/improve their value? I've heard that they appreciate much more slowly than houses, but I don't know how much of that is scaremongering.
2. Is there an easy way to find out how many of the condo units are occupied by renters? For obvious reasons we'd like a community that is mostly owner-inhabited.
3. Is there an easy way to find out the financial state of the condo association (state of reserve account, looming special assessments, etc.)? I know to go over to the courthouse to check and see if there are any pending/recent legal actions involving the community.
4. I know you can't predict the future, and a lot of this depends on the place we pick, but we want to be in a place that will be a safe, reliable post-FIRE base of operations for a reasonable length of time. Is it realistic to envision staying in a condo for decades on end, or is it more likely for the neighborhood to slip to a point that we might be forced to move at some point post-fire to protect our equity?
5. Are there issues to condo ownership that aren't occuring to me?
I think DH and I are going to scope out some open houses this weekend, maybe grab copies of the communities' covenants and see if they are even comprehensible to us. We are interested in finding a place to live in, and perhaps trade up if a great deal arises at some point, but we have enough hassles in our life without getting into the landlord business. I'm really interested in hearing from folks who went the condo route, as well as people who contemplated it but didn't. I really want to figure out the catches that explain why condos are so much cheaper, and sort out if they're things we're willing to live with. We want a place where we can stay long term, and where we can live years at a stretch or take off for a 6-month vacation with minimal fuss. We also want a place that has a good chance of appreciating--or that at least won't depreciate. Thoughts?