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Old 01-17-2006, 03:57 PM   #21
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Somehow the "tax" part of the family budget has gone from like 2% to 40something% in the last 50 years.......

Is life 20x better now than the 50's?
It is if you're black. It is if you're a woman who wants to be something other than a housewife, secretary, typist, librarian, teacher, or nurse. It is if you would've gotten polio, cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes... It is if you like digital color TV with surround sound and DVDs better than a tiny, snowy, mono b&w box w/4 channels! It is if you like DNA-based justice (hopefully fewer jailed innocents), a higher percentage of the population able to go to college, a huge reduction in extreme poverty in cities and rural areas. It is if you prefer to see black men in professions rather than as elevator operators, janitors, and shoe-shine boys.

=astro, born in '49 and remembers the 50s well--both the Cold War and the hula hoops, the pressure to conform and the rebellion against it, civil rights--and the rebellion against it, the peace movement, the women's movement--and the rebellion against them (still going on!)
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Old 01-17-2006, 06:31 PM   #22
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Is life 20x better now than the 50's?
Read a library copy of "The Way We Never Were" and decide for yourself.
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It is if you're black. It is if you're a woman who wants to be something other than a housewife, secretary, typist, librarian, teacher, or nurse. It is if you would've gotten polio, cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes... It is if you like digital color TV with surround sound and DVDs better than a tiny, snowy, mono b&w box w/4 channels! It is if you like DNA-based justice (hopefully fewer jailed innocents), a higher percentage of the population able to go to college, a huge reduction in extreme poverty in cities and rural areas. It is if you prefer to see black men in professions rather than as elevator operators, janitors, and shoe-shine boys.

=astro, born in '49 and remembers the 50s well--both the Cold War and the hula hoops, the pressure to conform and the rebellion against it, civil rights--and the rebellion against it, the peace movement, the women's movement--and the rebellion against them (still going on!)
I agree that we have come a long way, but could we have gotten there without so much tax money? That is what I wonder, how much of it was natural change and then how much is because of government meddling.
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Old 01-21-2006, 04:28 PM   #24
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Astromeria and TomSimpsonZA, you might be interested in this book:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...alanowski.html

The article is about the book:* The Greater Generation by Leonard Steinhorn.* The book is a tribute to the Baby Boomers.* The URL is to an article about the book; I submit just a little of this article...Quote

Steinhorn's “but” is a big one, and justly aimed. He points out that the Greatest Generation came home from World War II to an America that was racially segregated, restricted by sex roles, bigoted against gays and environmentally ignorant, and that it wasn't until the flowering of the Boomers in the sixties that progress in these areas became a reality. And in that progress, he stakes the claim for his generation's superiority.

Steinhorn is an ardent and impassioned Boomer-booster, and in an era when liberal has become a label that even liberals wear reluctantly, he is providing a very useful service. The change in America that has accompanied this generation's march through life has been profound, and because America changed, the world followed. For all the sideshows that encumbered the '60s—the sex, the drugs, the music, the hair—the ultimate legacy of the period is a Great Moral Leap Forward, such that America is now more publicly committed to equal opportunity, diversity, fairness and environmental preservation than at any time in our history. And the fruits of this progress are among our country's greatest ornaments.



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Could these things have happened without a ton of tax money?
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I must reluctantly submit that some taxes are worth paying...*
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I must reluctantly submit that some taxes are worth paying...*
I agree, the problem is that once you allow some things.....you open the door to other things.....etc etc etc

Its like when you spoil your first kid and then the 2nd one starts asking for the same stuff.
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