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Old 02-07-2006, 11:45 AM   #21
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Some of the most economically free countries in the world?* Hong Kong, Singapore, Luxembourg, Estonia, Ireland, New Zealand, Denmark, Iceland, Switzerland, Sweden.
Have been to half of those countries. I could imagine living in Switzerland and Sweden (beautiful scenery, etc) but if I understand correctly, both have very high taxes. From what I've read, Sweden has almost no upper/upper middle class because of its (heavy) tax stucture. And for awhile, it boasted the highest rate of suicide. FWIW, their tap water tastes awesome though.
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Re: What does Generation X want?
Old 02-07-2006, 12:43 PM   #22
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Universal health care would be bad, very very bad. Look at the military health care system. I haven't seen or heard anybody who has been in the military recently say the health care is good. It is stop gap health care at best. I injured myself while in. Once I was a civilian injured the same part. While I was getting the second injury fixed the doctor noticed the first and corrected that one also. If it had been fixed prior to getting out, rather than here's some 800mg motrin, I would not have incurred the second injury.
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lets-retire,Ii spent over 30 years in International Health care, i ahve seen all systems, including the US, on balance I will take the system in Canada over that in the US.

You may have to wait for Non Life Threatening services, but you will never go bankrupt due to an illness nor will you be refused.

No System is 100% perfect for 100% of the population 100% of the time, and no one ever gets refused employment because an existing Health Condition would cause an increase in a companys premiums.

My buddy in Colorado seems to spend an inordinate amount of time fighting with his HMO.

We all can make up Horror Stories to justify our systems , US lobbyists fror Giant Pharma are paid very well.

Your Presidents new budget cuts back on Medicare and Education and increases Military spending?

I was a generation X'r , before the term was used, my know it all attitude cost me a couple of good jobs.
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nor will you be refused.
You will never be refused emergency treatment here in the US either as hospitals are legally required to render emergency treatment regardless of ones ability to pay- this is one of the reasons why healthcare is so expensive for the rest of us who can pay.
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I'm not so sure that Gen Xers are resistant to the idea of hierarchies, rank or seniority.* Rather, they probably have a much better perspective on who truly should be ranked above them in the hierarchy.* Like any other employee who is "on the line" or "in the trenches", it's difficult to take directions from someone who doesn't share (and perhaps has never shared) the same perspective.* Put differently, Gen Xers don't respect people who haven't been in their shoes, or in other cases, never earned their seniority and the respect that comes with it.
My comments are not intended to paint with a broad brush but rather to share perceptions from my personal experience with many folks from Gen X in the work place over the past several years. *This is not a personal attack; just an opinion based on managing several different generations of folks over the past three decades.

I have found many of these folks seem to lack much of a concept of how a business organization really works. *They seem to think it is a democracy. *It is not. *While the HR folks would like you to think it is; it is not and cannot operate that way. *Wanting it to be so and complaining because your wishes, wants and desires are not taken seriously by the leaders of the organization is seen by them as an insult. *To the "older workers" , it is a fact of life. *If you have not earned the power and position in the organization, you will have very little to say about where it goes or what it does. *The tiny voice whining about the unfairness of the system will be lost in the big picture of the organization. * Lip service is paid to make the whiner feel appreciated but their voice is not heard except as a memory in the leader's mind that this person is still very green and unseasoned in the business. *

Many of the older generation also view experience as a major issue. *Pay ones' dues is still seen as an important component in being experienced and being credible by many leaders and peers. *Some managers clearly promote people who they like but who otherwise might not be competent for the job. *That is true for any generation and is more human nature than a generational thing. *

Doing the crappy jobs is part of the whole experience in working with groups. *Every group I have been associated with has this same concept of "rites of passage" for new members. *There is always some form of iniatiation for the new folks to endure to show the rest of the group that they can fit in. *Those that whine and complain their way through this process are seen as inferior by the other members of the group and are treated less professionally. *I don't condone it but it is the nature of groups to do so. *The weak do not survive in the real world. *

The Gen. X'ers I work with every day are as varied as any other group. *However, there are some trends that I see that seem to be unique to them. *I also agree in part with the basic issues in the article presented by the OP. *I know people just like them and could list a whole bunch more with similar issues and concerns. *I feel for these kids and I have a couple of them myself so I see first hand what they are going through. *My two don't have school loans because I help them out a lot. *They work part time but I end up footing most of the bill but that is my gift to them. *My step kids are deep in debt and have yet to "get it" when it come to finances. *I hope to be a role model to them over time and I give advice when asked. *After I retire I am sure it will hit closer to home for them and I hope they will ask for more advice. *

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You will never be refused emergency treatment here in the US either as hospitals are legally required to render emergency treatment regardless of ones ability to pay- this is one of the reasons why healthcare is so expensive for the rest of us who can pay.

Yes, but.

Chemotherapy isn't an emergency.
Etc.

Oh, and hospitals can get quite aggressive in collecting bills. The care isn't free.
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I'm one of them* I was born in 62.* I hope to God that qualifies me as a baby boomer.* I indentify with boomers much better than Xers.
You are a boomer... it is supposed to be till 64...
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"As for the old-fangled idea of paying one's dues in a dull job before moving up to something sexier, forget it: 77% of Gen Xers say they'd quit in a minute if offered "increased intellectual stimulation" at a different company. "

Interesting, "Paying one's dues."* Is this important or does the employer just want you to learn your job and how the organization works together?* Some jobs and organizations aren't that tough to learn.* I find it amazing that the 23% aren't swift enough to move out of a dull job!*

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Old 02-08-2006, 09:28 AM   #29
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If Gen X is those born 1964 - 1977 per this article, and boomers were 1945 - 1960 what are those poor lost souls who were left out of the whole equation??
Boomers are 1945-1964, not 1960.
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I have found many of these folks seem to lack much of a concept of how a business organization really works. *They seem to think it is a democracy. *It is not. *While the HR folks would like you to think it is; it is not and cannot operate that way. *Wanting it to be so and complaining because your wishes, wants and desires are not taken seriously by the leaders of the organization is seen by them as an insult. *To the "older workers" , it is a fact of life. *If you have not earned the power and position in the organization, you will have very little to say about where it goes or what it does. *The tiny voice whining about the unfairness of the system will be lost in the big picture of the organization. * Lip service is paid to make the whiner feel appreciated but their voice is not heard except as a memory in the leader's mind that this person is still very green and unseasoned in the business.
A lot of times, we dont take "you" seriously either. *Its really hard to take someone serious that cant work simple programs like windows, word and excel. *If you want "our" respect, please take the time to learn how to use modern technology. * I realize it wasnt taught in your school when you were there, but "we're" willing to work for less and can do many things you cant, so maybe listening to us would be good advise. *"You've" lost jobs to "us" for these reasons in the past and will continue to do so, until you use some of that great wisdom you supposedly have to save you from yourself. *Since "you" already supposedly know "everything else", surely "you" have plenty of time on the side to learn these things we already do very well ;-)

In defense of some boomers, I havent always had the problem from them of just getting "lip service". They do listen to me often, and actually take my advise at times, despite often being in a higher positions of authority. Maybe it isnt technically a democracy, but it is going to be a mistake to consistently and unilaterally reject the advise of your inferiors and subordinates.

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I love it when people say money is not a motivator..... just stop paying everybody in the firm and see how many people come to work the next day.... I am not saying it is a big motivator, but it IS what we are working for...

And Azanon.... (and this is not directed at you, or at least I do not think so)... why can the Gen Xers not learn how to write a sentence? Your spelling is horrible, your sentence structure makes no sense. I am amazed you even could graduate from college.

And about working programs. I have seen a number of Xers who can not even use simple formulas, or write a macro. Yes, some of the older farts do not even know how to turn on a computer, but there are many who can run circles around the young kids.
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A lot of times, we dont take "you" seriously either. Its really hard to take someone serious that cant work simple programs like windows, word and excel. If you want "our" respect, please take the time to learn how to use modern technology. I realize it wasnt taught in your school when you were there, but "we're" willing to work for less and can do many things you cant, so maybe listening to us would be good advise. "You've" lost jobs to "us" for these reasons in the past and will continue to do so, until you use some of that great wisdom you supposedly have to save you from yourself. Since "you" already supposedly know "everything else", surely "you" have plenty of time on the side to learn these things we already do very well ;-)

In defense of some boomers, I havent always had the problem from them of just getting "lip service". They do listen to me often, and actually take my advise at times, despite often being in a higher positions of authority. Maybe it isnt technically a democracy, but it is going to be a mistake to consistently and unilaterally reject the advise of your inferiors and subordinates.
I've regularly observed companies replacing boomers with x'ers that were willing to put in twice the hours for half the money. That showed me two things. That people who will work for that long for that little are idiots. And that those companies got exactly what they paid for.
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I've regularly observed companies replacing boomers with x'ers that were willing to put in twice the hours for half the money. That showed me two things. That people who will work for that long for that little are idiots. And that those companies got exactly what they paid for.
I guess i'll have to let other Gen-X'ers respond to this since I effectively work only about 36 hrs a week (counting leave) and make a great salary.

But if i was guessing, those other Gen-X'ers were just doing what it took to take their jobs, and plan on fixing the salary issue after said company becomes dependant on their unique skills that the boomers didn't have. Your statement nailed the boomer's #1 problem; you guys underestimate us, and now get to bicker about how dumb we are while you're unemployeed and watching soap operas during the day.

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I dont underestimate anyone.

I just recognize the long term implications of dropping someone with 20-30 years of experience for someone who will simply work longer or for less. I never had a problem with taking on a 50-something for a job opening. Quite often while the 20-somethings were all ready and willing to work through the weekend to find an answer to something or run some huge project to solve a problem, the 50-something spit out the answer.

Both the very experienced worker and the aggressive hard charging younger worker have their benefits.

I'm also well aware that a lot of folks well OVER estimate their abilities, knowledge and skill. It starts with the indestructible 16 year old that knows everything and needs no help and degrades from there, I think...

Also never watched a soap opera in my life. Sorry.
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Its really hard to take someone serious that cant work simple programs like windows, word and excel. If you want "our" respect, please take the time to learn how to use modern technology.

Hell, don't teach too many of them how to use that stuff...that's what keeps me in a job!
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A lot of times, we dont take "you" seriously either. *Its really hard to take someone serious that cant work simple programs like windows, word and excel. *
It's really hard to take someone seriously when they can't spell, punctuate or put together a grammatically correct sentence.* *
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Your spelling is horrible, your sentence structure makes no sense.
The above sentence is a run-on.



This "discussion" is silly. Generational gross generalizations? Gimme a break.

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Howard--It's the wait part the is the issue. *I recently torn the cartilage in my ankle. *It is obviously not life threatening. *If I were in the military they would have said here's some motrin. It'll feel better in a couple days. *If not come back. *The end result would be arthritis in my ankle. *As it was, the civilian doctor I went to repaired the tear and fix the other injury (that also would have resulted in arthritis) I spoke of in my previous post. *The initial injury made my ankle joint slightly unstable, contributing to the second injury. *If I had to wait then the cartilage that had torn off would have ground up the healthy cartilage still remaining, resulting in more extensive repair if that was even possible. *At times the wait is a problem in it's self, causing more injury than if timely treatment was provided.

As far as fighting with my insurance company I've had to use it for two surgeries and numerous routine appointments. *There has never been a problem with the routine appointments. *The two surgeries were the one I spoke of for me and one for brain surgery for my wife. *The only arguments I was involved in were with the care providers not wanting to do what the insurance company required to be paid. *The providers kept sending me the bills. *I kept telling them to submit to the insurance company first. *These arguments were normally resolved by going to a senior enough supervisor and telling them the bonehead low level person was not doing what the insurance company required to have the claim processed.

If your friend is spending that much time fighting with the insurance company I'd suggest finding another insurance provider or changing companies. *
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The providers kept sending me the bills. *I kept telling them to submit to the insurance company first. *These arguments were normally resolved by going to a senior enough supervisor and telling them the bonehead low level person was not doing what the insurance company required to have the claim processed.
Unfortunately, many medical providers don't initially care what an insurance company wants in order to have a claim processed.* The fine print on most medical forms is that the patient is ultimately responsible for any unpaid amount, and that the medical provider is not obligated to bill the insurance company first.* Under such circumstances, patients get bills for months, which naturally go unpaid, thereby affecting their credit rating.* In some cases, the medical provider goes so far as to send the bill out to a collection agency, thereby ruining the patient's credit rating -- all because some "bonehead low level person was not doing what the insurance company required to have the claim processed".
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True. That's why I went up the chain until I found someone who would do what was required to be paid.
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