Booze

[imoldernu]

IMHO the worst, ego driven, self aggrandizing study on what must be a desperate attempt for recognition.

No level of alcohol consumption improves health

http://time.com/5376552/how-much-alcohol-to-drink-study/... and this is a "moderate" analysis... not so for other media.

If you don't think this is BIG... just Google this:

no amount of alcohol is safe
and see how many news media sites pop up....

Use your imagination to see the kinds of headlines this has produced in all of the "news" media. In every newspaper and website... the ultimate "scare". BTW... despite the extreme forces working for prohibition...

For everyone who understands percentages...

Compared to non-drinkers, people who had one alcoholic beverage per day had a 0.5% higher risk of developing one of 23 alcohol-related health problems, including cancer, road injuries and tuberculosis, in a given year, the study says. At that level, the absolute increase is small, equaling only four additional deaths per 100,000 people per year, according to the study

I'll be looking for the expose that details the effect of sub-atomic particles on the synapses between the axons and dendrites of the brain when the ambient outside temperature is 30 degrees Centigrade @57% relative humidity.



My opinion only...

 

[Plantman]

I need a good stiff drink after trying to digest all of that!

 

[MRG]

Alcohol is bad and cannibis is good for me. Who knew?


https://www.investors.com/news/marijuana-stocks-molson-coors-marijuana-drinks-canada-earnings/


The list of marijuana stocks to watch expanded further as*Molson Coors'*(TAP) Canadian business unit said it plans to offer nonalcoholic marijuana drinks via a joint venture in an attempt to satisfy the nation's "evolving drinking preferences."

 

[frayne]

Alcohol is bad and cannibis is good for me. Who knew?


https://www.investors.com/news/marijuana-stocks-molson-coors-marijuana-drinks-canada-earnings/


The list of marijuana stocks to watch expanded further as*Molson Coors'*(TAP) Canadian business unit said it plans to offer nonalcoholic marijuana drinks via a joint venture in an attempt to satisfy the nation's "evolving drinking preferences."

A joint venture, hmmmmm !

 

[flyingaway]

It does improve happiness for some. That is important.

 

[pb4uski]

Compared to non-drinkers, people who had one alcoholic beverage per day had a 0.5% higher risk of developing one of 23 alcohol-related health problems, including cancer, road injuries and tuberculosis, in a given year, the study says.

I'm sipping a good Bloody Mary right now.... I'll take the 0.5% chance... just call me a risk-taker.

 

[jim584672]

What happened to a glass of wine is good for you? Can't keep up.

 

[Cayman]

What happened to a glass of wine is good for you? Can't keep up.

Have a few and fuggedaboutit.

 

[Bestwifeever]

I read the articles and I do believe that no alcohol is statistically healthier for us (plus there was a lot of skepticism reported by the researchers about people who say they have only one drink a day--probably like law enforcement hears I only had two beers when they pull someone over). In the same vein, never riding in a car is healthier for us too (fatal auto accidents are almost always linked to riding in cars). Pick your poison, no one gets out alive anyway.

 

[timo2]

look at the religions that prohibit drinking. I don't see those people living longer than the drinkers.

 

[gerntz]

Why improve health? Just drives up medical costs & Social Security expenses long-term. We need less health to reduce societal costs.

 

[timo2]

When the meteor hits, it won't matter how many drinks you had. "A team of Ukrainian astronomers have discovered a massive asteroid, 2013 TV135, that’s on track to hit earth Aug. 26, 2032, Russian news agency Ria Novosti reports. The discovery was confirmed by five other astronomy groups in Italy, the U.K., Spain and Russia’s Siberian republic of Buryatia. Scientists Discover Giant Asteroid That Could Hit Earth in 2032 | TIME.com

 

[Chuckanut]

Here's an interesting analysis of the actual study and how things were misrepresented.

The most misleading things is the use of relative percentages. For example, if you have a 2 in 100 chance of tripping and falling while you climb Mt. Sorefoot today, but you have a 3 in 100 chance if you had one glass of champagne with breakfast, they would claim your chances of falling are 50% greater because of your glass of champagne. But, in absolute terms your chance of falling only went up 1%. But the 50% figure sure makes for a better headline!

Like many have said - There is a lot of bad science in the field of human health.

https://medium.com/wintoncentre/the-risks-of-alcohol-again-2ae8cb006a4a

emphasis added

In this case, compared to non-drinkers an extra 63 (977–914) in 100,000 people experience a health problem each year. That means, to experience one extra problem, 1,600 people need to drink 20g alcohol a day for a year, in which case we would expect 16 instead of 15 problems between them. That’s 7.3 kg a year each, equivalent to around 32 bottles of gin per person. So a total of 50,000 bottles of gin among these 1,600 people is associated with one extra health problem. Which still indicates a very low level of harm in drinkers drinking just more than the UK guidelines.

And here is another reason to take the report with another glass of wine.

But the major difference is in the outcome measure. Wood uses all-cause mortality and all cardiovascular events, while IHME build a separate ‘dose-response curve’ for each of 23 outcomes which they identify as having a causal connection with alcohol. If these specific outcomes are chosen, then there is little harm associated with being a non-drinker, whereas simply looking at all-cause mortality shows a dramatically higher risk in non-drinkers.

 

[Chuckanut]

I'll be looking for the expose that details the effect of sub-atomic particles on the synapses between the axons and dendrites of the brain when the ambient outside temperature is 30 degrees Centigrade @57% relative humidity.

Yes, I have been waiting for that study also. I hope the adjust for the effect of cosmic rays on the sub-atomic particles.

 

[ER Eddie]

Like many have said - There is a lot of bad science in the field of human health.

Absolutely, and epidemiological studies like this are the worst. The one about "low-carb" diets being bad for you is another recent example. These studies do not control (cannot by their nature control) for a huge variety of potential confounds, which leaves results largely meaningless. Physicians (I'm generalizing) are poorly trained when it comes to reading, conducting, and interpreting research, so they give bad advice. Lobbying groups also put all kinds of spin on things. And the journalists who write these stories don't do any sort of investigative work; they just run with the snappiest headline. It's a joke.

You have to educate yourself independently. There is a lot of bad information out there, much of it put out by so-called "experts."

 

[LOL!]

So how do you explain that $289 million award for much less than that 0.5% higher risk?

 

[davismills]

“I feel sorry for people that don't drink because when they wake up in the morning, that is the best they are going to feel all day-” Frank Sinatra

 

[Dogman]

I am 63 retired (two years) and my wife and her two sisters have invited her sister to move into our retirement community. The worst part the sister moving here is an alcoholic for the past 30 years and still drinks heavily. After two weeks here she was drunk for the last three days and refuses help or to be in any type of program. Lucky she is not staying at my house.
Nothing is worse than dealing with three sisters and the fourth one is flaming alcoholic. After two weeks all wish she would move back! Why they wanted her here in the first place is beyond me (it must be a woman's thing). A 62 year old drunk who is missing her boyfriend who threw her out, not a nice site.
God please give me the grace to have patience. But on a second note I am not an alcoholic, so I will be having some Makers Mark tonight by myself reading a Brad Thor book.

 

[Dogman]

Nothing Like Booze to have fun Party!

look at the religions that prohibit drinking. I don't see those people living longer than the drinkers.

I was a wedding photographer when I was in high school and early college. Went to several Baptist weddings. They were the most dull, sad, people I have ever seen. Drinking fruit punch. Nothing like a Greek, Catholic, Italian wedding everybody is happy and the bride and groom are always having a good time. A little booze won't hurt anyone! But don't drink too much Greek Ouzo you might end up married before the night is over.

 

[imoldernu]

Truth now....
What do you know about prohibition? Did you know that the sale or distribution of alcohol was Constitutionally illegal in the United States from 1920 to 1933?

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

And who has heard of Carrie Nation?

 

[ronin]

Let's see... Second hand smoke growing up with a smoking parent who dragged me along to the bowling alley weekly. Living in Los Angeles in the 50s and 60s, with leaded gas, freeway diesel particulates, the school gardener spraying herbicides outside the open classroom windows for 12 yrs of public school and the drinking fountain that you had to sneak up on to get a drink it smelled of rotten chemicals. Chem labs with exploding beakers and bio labs with various things to disinfect lab tables with no gloves, the lead recycling plant a mile away in Industry, the styrene leak that plumed out over the neighborhood about which the fire dept said no worries (looked it up in my organic chem text and was very worried), uh... and that's just off the top of my head. Am I worried about the Basil Hayden and bitters that I had last night?

 

[marko]

Why on earth would anyone want to extend one's life if there's no drinking?!?!

You might live longer but why would you want to?

 

[marko]

Truth now....
What do you know about prohibition? Did you know that the sale or distribution of alcohol was Constitutionally illegal in the United States from 1920 to 1933?

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

And who has heard of Carrie Nation?

My grandfather was a bootlegger; also ran a speakeasy. Made a lot of money. They would make the stuff on an island in the harbor and bring it in by boat at night; remnants still out there.

His house (now ours) still has a secret room for hiding the hooch. If you didn't know it was there, you'd never find it. Actually almost every house on our street has such hiding rooms.

I still have his old hygrometer for determining alcohol level; makes a nice party starter.

I think she went by Carrie A. Nation; read all about her years ago; even now, still a good story.

(Note I've used the word "still" in every paragragh)

 

[Chuckanut]

Truth now....
What do you know about prohibition? Did you know that the sale or distribution of alcohol was Constitutionally illegal in the United States from 1920 to 1933?

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

And who has heard of Carrie Nation?

IIRC, prohibition was a boon to organized crime that made a fortune selling illegal booze. Not so good.

True confession time: my grandmother made wine in her cellar for friends and family during prohibition.

 

[Winemaker]

I w*rked in underground coal mines for 35 years, my "risk" was higher than an office dweller. I'm gonna die of something, might as well be food/drink related.