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Old 05-23-2011, 05:57 PM   #41
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I stopped eating red meat
Why?

Seriously, why?

I haven't seen any comment even remotely obsessive here, until you (the one who gave it up) raised the issue.

Methinks you are the one who feels guilty, or at least a bit shaky in his decision to give it up.
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I notice that people who feel guilty about their continual consumption of red meat tend to dwell on the obsessive nature of those who give it up. Isn't this a little feeble? I stopped eating red meat, but I really don't think I obsess about it. There are plenty of other delicious things to indulge myself on, even things that are bad for me in different ways (like wine and cheese). Habits can be changed.
This thread may not be the ideal spot for a discourse on this.
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Yum!

I tend to regard red meat as being a yummy treat like chocolate. Although I try not to gorge myself on beef, I love it! I eat it and don't feel in the slightest bit guilty about eating beef. And to make it worse, in the eyes of most chefs and connoisseurs at any rate,
I like my steaks very well done.
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Why?

Seriously, why?

I haven't seen any comment even remotely obsessive here, until you (the one who gave it up) raised the issue.

Methinks you are the one who feels guilty, or at least a bit shaky in his decision to give it up.
"Obsess" appeared previously in posts #4 and #35 in this thread.

You think I feel guilty about giving up red meat? Seriously? I don't think this is worth commenting on.

Answering your question, in part my taste just changed for no reason I can say, when I stopped eating steaks. And in part, when I stopped eating burgers, I wanted to control my weight. Similarly, I used to enjoy spaghetti with meat sauce, but I stopped eating pasta to avoid getting too fat.

Lowering my cancer risk is a freebee, so far as my motives go.
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"Obsess" appeared previously in posts #4 and #35 in this thread.
Thank you for that wonderful explanation.

And thank you to the forum administrators for providing the wonderful "Ignore" function. I'll be making good use of it.
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This guy says screw all the studies. He's 57 with low cholesterol and retired. Could be one of our forum members.

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OK, now I'm curious!

What does eating red meat say about some one?
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OK, now I'm curious!

What does eating red meat say about some one?
Oh, nothing very profound. It is just that in our culture, there tend to be clusters of behaviors. I do not know, but I would guess that compared to red meat eaters, abstainers use less alcohol, use more non-fat or low fat dairy products, eat fewer eggs, eat more vegetables and fruits, eat more yogurt and soybean products, and perhaps more supplements. There is likely some correlation with smoking too. Red meat eaters are more likely to also eat french fries and fried onion rings, as a large amount of the red meat that gets eaten in America gets eaten in McDonalds, Burger King and (my personal favorite) Jack in the Box. I would imagine that relatively more working class people eat red meat than eat vegetarian for example. There are also likely to be ethnic and race tie-ins, but I am not familiar with these. They must have controlled for gender, but in case not, men are heavier red meat eaters than women.

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This reminds me of a study done decades ago in which researchers collected and studied samples of various types of steaks and concluded that eating them was unhealthy.

They were so disturbed by their findings that they ate the rest of the steaks.
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Ha, I understand what you are saying and I just haven't noticed the associations with the other things you mention.

But darn it, I want a fried bloney sandwich, fry it to char a bit, put it on white bread with mayo and a fried flat egg. Ummmmm, memories of visiting my rellies in OK.
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FWIW, I eat more red meat than DH. He was a vegetarian when I met him and still doesn't like eating beef. He's okay with chicken and turkey but is always happy when I come home without ground beef or pork. I don't think he feels guilty about it, but it is just a matter of taste.
I still cook meat, because, well, I do the shopping and cooking and we eat what I like. But I do try to accommodate his preferences as they are usually the healthier choice.
And baloney sandwiches! Yum! We had one of those Corelle-top stoves back in the 80s and unbeknownst to Mom, we'd fry baloney directly on the burners (cutting the corners as Feever mentioned). Man that was good eating!
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how can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
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What does eating red meat say about some one?
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So, eating red meat leads to smoking? Or a Stetson? Or a bodacious pornstache?
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A fried baloney sandwich is still a treat for me!
I'd never heard of this delicacy until it got a shout-out in this ad:
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The article linked in the OP is about a meta-analysis of epidemiological (epi) studies, most of them being cohort and case-control studies. One of the problems with epi studies on low probability outcomes (colon cancer in this case) is the mountain of statistical tests one has to do. Run enough samples and stat tests and you will conclude some of the time that a fair coin or set of dice is biased. Measure things like diet and lifestyle and the pure amount of exaggeration, BS and outright lies from the subjects make researchers conclude the cleanest study is no more than a suggestion to scientists in more rigorous fields to take a closer look. Unless, of course, the only way to study the subject is using epi methods.

One surprise was that nutritionists consider pork to be a red meat. What's up with that?
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One surprise was that nutritionists consider pork to be a red meat. What's up with that?
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Its myoglobin content is lower than beef, but much higher than chicken white meat. The USDA treats pork as a red meat. Pork is very high in thiamin.

In 1987 the U.S. National Pork Board began an advertising campaign to position pork as "the other white meat", due to a public perception of chicken and turkey (white meat) as more healthy than red meat. The campaign was highly successful and resulted in 87% of consumers identifying pork with the slogan. As of 2005, the slogan is still used in marketing pork, with some variations.
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The Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_meat says pork is traditionally white in gastronomy but is considered red in nutrition. (It also has a number of references on the cancer risk question -- I gather that the evidence for the link is considered strong only for colorectal cancer.)
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Eschew red meat. Fish! That's the ticket! Of course you want to stay away from tuna and such given the high levels of mercury, but there's lots of Tilapia on the restaurant menus:

"Tilapia have very low levels of mercury[14] as they are fast-growing and short-lived with a primarily herbivorous diet, and thus do not accumulate mercury found in prey.[15] Tilapia is a low saturated fat, low calorie, low carbohydrate and low sodium protein source. It is a source of phosphorus, niacin, selenium, vitamin B12 and potassium. However, farm raised tilapia (the least expensive and most popular) has a high fat content (though low in saturated fats). According to research published in July 2008, farm raised tilapia may be worse for the heart than eating bacon or a hamburger. The research suggests the nutritional value of farm raised tilapia may be compromised by the amount of corn included in the feed. The corn contains short chain omega-6s that contribute to the buildup of these materials in the fish. "Ratios of long-chain omega-6 to long-chain omega-3, AA to EPA respectively, in tilapia averaged about 11:1, compared to much less than 1:1 (indicating more EPA than AA) in both salmon and trout."

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Chicken? maybe google "fecal soup"

Grain? High cholesterol

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