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Old 02-03-2015, 04:16 PM   #21
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Since we all get a little forgetful as we age, I seem to have forgotten the discomfort and signed up for another full marathon this Spring at 69 years old. I'll never learn.
LOL, having a poor memory helps with these things! One of my running friends was just reminding me that I claimed last year that I would never run another 50M.
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Old 02-03-2015, 04:18 PM   #22
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It's true that this study (and most others) have lots of caveats built in to ensure the need for further research, so I don't pay a lot of attention to them either. As for doing it when you're older, I agree with you, and my doc thinks I'm nuts.

I was a casual runner (just 4-5 runs a week (a few miles each) and nothing but the very occasional 10K) until I suddenly got a wild hair and decided to try my first marathon at the age of 58. After a couple more of them, I dropped back to just a few half-marathons a year.

Since we all get a little forgetful as we age, I seem to have forgotten the discomfort and signed up for another full marathon this Spring at 69 years old. I'll never learn.
Wow, good for you. Thanks for making me feel young. Hope I'm still running like that at 69. Just 53 today. Hope you kill that marathon.
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LOL, having a poor memory helps with these things! One of my running friends was just reminding me that I claimed last year that I would never run another 50M.
Everything is relative. Since I run marathons the article is clearly wrong about that level of exercise being a fitness issue. But you ultra folks and triathletes are clearly crazy and taking chances with your health. What are you thinking!
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I'm a patient person, but he pressed all the wrong buttons - smug, had to be right all the time. How dare someone consider themselves superior to other people (as he manifestly did), just because their hobby happens to be running. I hope that is not the case with any of the runners here.

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Amethyst you seem like such a sweet person that I have to assume he must have done more than boast of his superb fitness to piss you off so much to wish for his demise. I think we can agree that runners are indeed fit and usually don't have to worry too much about what they eat.


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I'm a patient person, but he pressed all the wrong buttons - smug, had to be right all the time. How dare someone consider themselves superior to other people (as he manifestly did), just because their hobby happens to be running. I hope that is not the case with any of the runners here.

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That guy sounds like an ass. It's fun to compare races and share running stories with other runners, but not to put down non-runners. Besides, I got humbled in a Spartan race last summer when the Cross Fit addicts and gym rats pretty much kicked my butt.
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Here is a link to an article I printed out a few years back along similar lines:
Endurance Sports: Studies on Older Endurance Athletes Suggest the Fittest Reap Few Health Benefits - WSJ
I'd say there's some BS in that article. For example, no health benefit to running faster than 8mph? Some folks can run 10mph and have it take the same effort it takes others to run 6 or 7. How is that reflected? Answer: it's not. They should've based it on RPE, Heart Rate, Heart Rate Variability, or something other than speed.
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I'm 54 and been running since I was 27 ish. Started "late" in that regard compared to most seasoned runners. Most would say I'm barely a runner since I do three days a week at 3miles, 4miles, 5miles so 12M a week unless training.


Used to do 3-4 races a year including half marathon. I've found once I ramp my miles up when training more injuries were happening. I just did one race last year.


As hard as it is on the body I have not found a cardio that comes close in regards to results and efficiency (how much time it takes, great workout). I've tried biking, spin classes and swimming laps. Yes, at some point I will have to give it up but I'm not looking forward to that day.


One thing I do different from most is my pacing. I might be a bit faster than a jogger but am not a "racer". A 3M run I shoot for a 7:20 pace if I'm feeling good. 4M pace is 7:30, 5M 7:40. I have to be feeling real good to meet those goals however. If it's hilly, hot, or I'm just not feeling it (which is 50% of the time) I can end up in the 7:50-8:00 pace very easily.

What has helped my body the most especially how back is squeezing in a Yoga class once a week.


My last half M was a 1:38 in 2013 so I'm not getting awards that is for certain. I never rain cross country so I don't know what is feels like to run a 6:00pace I'm not in that form right now but would like to get back there soon.
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That guy sounds like an ass. It's fun to compare races and share running stories with other runners, but not to put down non-runners. Besides, I got humbled in a Spartan race last summer when the Cross Fit addicts and gym rats pretty much kicked my butt.
And then are some of those teenagers breezing past us older guys.
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I'm 54 and been running since I was 27 ish. Started "late" in that regard compared to most seasoned runners. Most would say I'm barely a runner since I do three days a week at 3miles, 4miles, 5miles so 12M a week unless training.


Used to do 3-4 races a year including half marathon. I've found once I ramp my miles up when training more injuries were happening. I just did one race last year.


As hard as it is on the body I have not found a cardio that comes close in regards to results and efficiency (how much time it takes, great workout). I've tried biking, spin classes and swimming laps. Yes, at some point I will have to give it up but I'm not looking forward to that day.


One thing I do different from most is my pacing. I might be a bit faster than a jogger but am not a "racer". A 3M run I shoot for a 7:20 pace if I'm feeling good. 4M pace is 7:30, 5M 7:40. I have to be feeling real good to meet those goals however. If it's hilly, hot, or I'm just not feeling it (which is 50% of the time) I can end up in the 7:50-8:00 pace very easily.

What has helped my body the most especially how back is squeezing in a Yoga class once a week.


My last half M was a 1:38 in 2013 so I'm not getting awards that is for certain. I never ran cross country so I don't know what is feels like to run a 6:00pace I'm not in that half M form right now but would like to get back there soon. Maybe if I ER--- Ha.
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I'm 54 and been running since I was 27 ish. Started "late" in that regard compared to most seasoned runners. Most would say I'm barely a runner since I do three days a week at 3miles, 4miles, 5miles so 12M a week unless training.


Used to do 3-4 races a year including half marathon. I've found once I ramp my miles up when training more injuries were happening. I just did one race last year.


As hard as it is on the body I have not found a cardio that comes close in regards to results and efficiency (how much time it takes, great workout). I've tried biking, spin classes and swimming laps. Yes, at some point I will have to give it up but I'm not looking forward to that day.


One thing I do different from most is my pacing. I might be a bit faster than a jogger but am not a "racer". A 3M run I shoot for a 7:20 pace if I'm feeling good. 4M pace is 7:30, 5M 7:40. I have to be feeling real good to meet those goals however. If it's hilly, hot, or I'm just not feeling it (which is 50% of the time) I can end up in the 7:50-8:00 pace very easily.

What has helped my body the most especially how back is squeezing in a Yoga class once a week.


My last half M was a 1:38 in 2013 so I'm not getting awards that is for certain. I never ran cross country so I don't know what is feels like to run a 6:00pace I'm not in that half M form right now but would like to get back there soon. Maybe if I ER--- Ha.
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Having done a lot of physical sports growing up, my knees cannot take anymore pounding. I do bicycle thingy in the gym these days. I never liked running or jogging anyways and I know now why .
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Good...now I don't feel so lazy.

I've switched up my exercise routine lately. Instead of doing low impact aerobics five days a week, I now do two. The other three days I jog three miles in 40 minutes. When I'm really feeling energetic, I lift light weights as well.

When/if I develop knee issues, I'll scale back on the walking/jogging.
I'm impressed with the jogging! You are on fire getting all healthy and fitting into your skinny jeans.
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I'd say there's some BS in that article. For example, no health benefit to running faster than 8mph? Some folks can run 10mph and have it take the same effort it takes others to run 6 or 7. How is that reflected? Answer: it's not. They should've based it on RPE, Heart Rate, Heart Rate Variability, or something other than speed.
+1 on that fast pace being bad? WTH. Cheers.
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VERY controversial area. Much data sharply contradict original article's conclusion.
Interestingly, an earlier Danish study (same research group?) published data that "fast intensity cycling" exercise led to longer life in both men and women. Also found a dose response so "fast" cycling led to longer life than "average" cycling, and "ave" longer than "slow" cycling. Same researcher also published data back in 2007 that fast walkers showed more health benefits than slow walkers.
The Benefits Of Exercise: Its All About Intensity
Main researcher (P Schnohr) said that intensity should be individualized.
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To stick with running as the exercise, an even larger (55k subjects) and longer (15 yr follow-up) multi-center US study found both all-cause mortality and cardiovascular mortality did NOT increase with longer & faster running (7.6+mph, 20+mpw, 3+hrs/wk). No additional benefit was seen over less running, but no harm either.
http://content.onlinejacc.org/articl...&resultClick=3

And I strongly second nash's point about speed being meaningless as a measure of intensity. Even in the same person. After the Holiday layoff (inc too much food/drink) my typical 30min 5k run bumped my ave HR to over 140. After a few 15-20+mi weeks my 30min 5k ave HR is 10+ bpm slower (same course/conditions).
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The article didn't say that the runners who ran fast and longer just got hit by more cars and died.

I like to run in my old age, but I don't run faster than a 10 min/mile pace and mostly slower.
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... After the Holiday layoff (inc too much food/drink) my typical 30min 5k run bumped my ave HR to over 140. After a few 15-20+mi weeks my 30min 5k ave HR is 10+ bpm slower (same course/conditions).
I've never monitored my HR over 40+ years running. My current excuse is: how would I interpret the result?

Recently I've even stopped monitoring my pace but with my Vivofit I should check it out as I now have a pretty accurate distance measurement in the hills. I've read that the Vivofit can also be used with an HR strap.
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I've never monitored my HR over 40+ years running. My current excuse is: how would I interpret the result?

Recently I've even stopped monitoring my pace but with my Vivofit I should check it out as I now have a pretty accurate distance measurement in the hills. I've read that the Vivofit can also be used with an HR strap.
Not sayin' everyone should be using HR monitors or that HR is a perfect measure of anything. Even amongst elite endurance athletes, HR is highly individualized.
I only mentioned HR here as a rough idea of relative effort (fitness) for same task in same individual (me). When I'm in good shape my ave HR for given pace/distance/course/conditions is quite consistent. My HRs are clearly higher when I haven't been working out regularly for >2-4 weeks.
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I grew to dislike one runner intensely after having to share a small office with him. He thought being a Runner made him incredibly special. Because I had muscular legs and appeared fit, he assumed I, too, was a runner, and made a number of remarks indicative of how superior the two of us were to people who didn't run. I didn't disabuse him...I just silently despised him, especially when he would haul out a giant bag of potato chips, dump a half-pound of them onto a spread napkin, and monotonously crunch, crunch, crunch his way through them for 45 minutes. Every single day, he would remark that the reason he could eat all those potato chips was because he Ran......

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Excellent point! There was a time when most distance runners seemed to believe that running allowed them to eat whatever they liked. Many think the apparent excess bad outcomes observed with high volume running in some studies may reflect these bad dietary habits rather than a negative effect of 'too much' running.

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I've never monitored my HR over 40+ years running. My current excuse is: how would I interpret the result?
I got a Polar FT7 when I joined a company with a wellness program. Workouts had to be electronically monitored and uploaded to qualify for incentives (which included significant savings on your share of company health insurance premiums).

I loved it when it worked. I ran the same sprint triathlon in 2011 and 2013 (ages 58 and 60) and cut 5 minutes off my time for the 12-mile bicycle portion of it in 2013. I'm convinced it was because I was working out with a HRM and it kept me from slacking off. If it got below 120 bpm, I'd increase the intensity of my aerobic exercise. Sadly, the chest straps kept failing. It would show on the display that it couldn't find my heart rate, or that it was zero , or it would stick at 90 while I was huffing and puffing, making my way uphill on a bicycle. I got sick of replacing chest straps at $40 each every few months.

On the subject of overeating and calorie burn: I LOVED watching the calorie burn for sprint triathlons and 35-mile bike rides. They were typically 1,200-1,700 calories. I'd go home and post the results on FaceBook, then feast on vegetarian chili with pasta, my favorite post-race meal.
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