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Old 12-07-2011, 03:10 PM   #41
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There is something to that. My small city on the edge of the big city was the "fittest city in Texas" for its population category for 4-5 years. Past Money Magazine "best places to live", median family income more than double the national average, blah, blah, and etc.
I think this is true all over the developed world. Obesity and income are negatively correlated. I am always hearing about how fat Americans are, but I don't see much of it. I see fat "poor" people on the streets downtown, but darn few anywhere else in my usual haunts.

And the fit looking gay guy with the stylish dog in Al's picture is typical of a very affluent group, gay men.

Best place to see BMI challenged people (maybe after Cracker Barrel!) is one of those all you can eat smorgasbords. Great place to lose your appetite and develop a possibly permanent aversion to overeating.

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Best place to see fat people (maybe after Cracker Barrel!)...

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Is it bash fat people day?
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Is it bash fat people day?
No, I think that falls on Tuesday this year.
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Sorry about that. I'm bashing the obesity epidemic.
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Obesity and income are negatively correlated.
Same goes for cigarette smoking, nearly everywhere in the world I've been.
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I think there are several schools of thought on the issue of carbs all backed by "expert" evidence. Personally, I chose a middle of the road diet and just eat in moderation.

Bill Clinton has recently gone "vegan" after years of heart problems. I find it hard to believe he is not getting the best medical advice available.

Bill Clinton Adopts New Vegan Diet to Fight Heart Disease
Clinton may very well be getting bad advice...

I caught a few minutes of a doc on PBS (pledge drive time, dontcha know...); he was telling the hefty audience how to be healthy, and not only avoid heart problems, but cure them as well.

Early on, he says to "avoid refined carbs", then recommends they eat lots of "whole grains", and avoid meat.

The body requires fat to survive; it does not require carbs, though it functions better with "some", particularly if you're active.
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Is it bash fat people day?
I agree, it was insensitive of me. I changed my post to BMI challenged people, which should allow discussion of the sociological phenomenon without using politically charged terms.

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Ah, so it is. Thanks for clarifying.
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The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.

On the other hand, the French eat a lot of fat and also suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.

The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.

The Italians drink excessive amounts of red wine and also suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.

Conclusion: Eat and drink what you like. It's speaking English that kills you.
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I don't disagree with anything that's been said. Portion size combined with activity level is probably a big part of it. However, all they demonizing of this food and that food is just so much hype. Rat poison is bad for you. Potatoes, soda, fried foods, Oreos , etc. should be eaten in moderation, not completely avoided without a good reason.

They aren't bad for you. Will trans fat kill you? Eventually maybe, but a little here and there isn't going to do much. Same with most things. If an Oreo takes the edge off, calms you down and makes you happy, I think the benefits, in moderation, outweigh any harm it may or may not cause in small doses.

I smoke cigars, maybe three or four a week at most. I checked. The increased risk for mouth, throat or lung cancer cannot be determined it is so low at that amount of use. Moderation. If I had a cigar hanging out of my mouth all day long everyday, I'd expose myself to some increased risk to be certain. Even I do have some elevated risk, should I stop smoking cigars even though they relax me and bring me a lot of pleasure. Some people would say yes.

I've said it before. I'd rather die at 65 happy and fulfilled than at 95 with a life of denial behind me. And yes, I have nothing better to do at the moment than express my opinion. I am retired after all.
My mother used that line all the time, but when she died 2 months ago from lung cancer at 67, I can promise you that she wasnt happy at all.
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Then there's the study that just came out that says that obesity has little to do with overall health - it's physical activity that seems to determine how healthy a person will be.

All I know is that I do both Polynesian and tap dancing 2 nights a week, perform most weekends, teach dance classes, do a 6-hour dance workshop once a month, do long-distance swimming and love to go geocaching, which usually has me hiking uphill a lot (because a phenomenon in Vancouver is that EVERYTHING is uphill). I'm also the healthiest person I know - BP normal, cholesterol normal, etc.

However, 100% of what I eat goes straight to fat and nothing will budge it.

I will admit to being a carboholic.

Maybe I should get an ugly dog.... seems to work in San Francisco.
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Then there's the study that just came out that says that obesity has little to do with overall health - it's physical activity that seems to determine how healthy a person will be.

All I know is that I do both Polynesian and tap dancing 2 nights a week, perform most weekends, teach dance classes, do a 6-hour dance workshop once a month, do long-distance swimming and love to go geocaching, which usually has me hiking uphill a lot (because a phenomenon in Vancouver is that EVERYTHING is uphill). I'm also the healthiest person I know - BP normal, cholesterol normal, etc.

However, 100% of what I eat goes straight to fat and nothing will budge it.

I will admit to being a carboholic.

Maybe I should get an ugly dog.... seems to work in San Francisco.
Sure you do not mean the S.F. people are uglier than their dogs?
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I don't disagree with anything that's been said. Portion size combined with activity level is probably a big part of it. However, all they demonizing of this food and that food is just so much hype. Rat poison is bad for you.
For decades a variety of rat poison (coumadin) was prescribed as a blood pressure medication.
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I've said it before. I'd rather die at 65 happy and fulfilled than at 95 with a life of denial behind me. And yes, I have nothing better to do at the moment than express my opinion. I am retired after all.

As the saying goes.... all these health nuts are going to feel pretty silly, one day, when they're lying in a hospital bed, dying of nothing.
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Lena went to a Zumba class yesterday. The woman who teaches it recently had a parathyroid out, so they compared war stories and scars.

She teaches eight Zumba classes per week.

She has a muffin top. [is that insensitive? ]
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Lena went to a Zumba class yesterday. The woman who teaches it recently had a parathyroid out, so they compared war stories and scars.

She teaches eight Zumba classes per week.

She has a muffin top. [is that insensitive? ]
Not when it's bash fat people day. Oh, you mean Lena....
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Lena went to a Zumba class yesterday. The woman who teaches it recently had a parathyroid out, so they compared war stories and scars.

She teaches eight Zumba classes per week.

She has a muffin top. [is that insensitive? ]
I originally came to this forum to pick up a few tips about early retirement. Nowadays, more and more, I find myself learning about things that have little to do with ER, such as what a muffin top is (I had to Google it).

Personally, I quite like them, so don't think of it as an insensitive remark
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Lena went to a Zumba class yesterday. The woman who teaches it recently had a parathyroid out, so they compared war stories and scars.

She teaches eight Zumba classes per week.

She has a muffin top. [is that insensitive? ]

I think you may be devolping Cacomorphobia !
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America's sweet tooth; too many beverages and recipes loaded with huge quantities of sweeteners, combined with too many school buses, remote TV controls and other modern conveniences?
Most of which would be relatively small problems if we were even remotely close to being as physically active as we were a generation or two ago. If a kid today ate like I did in the 1970s and sat at the computer, the Xbox and the TV instead of running around playing ball several hours a day, they would be very fat indeed.

People love to blame junk food on everything. And while it's not a good diet and not the healthiest thing out there, I'd guess it's like 20% of the "obesity epidemic." The other 80% is because people are sitting on their asses more than ever -- instead of being active and burning calories.
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