London just left the bucket list

[Montecfo]

But a lot of us don't live in Chicago. We stay away from these kind of cities too.

True. And if we did we would not pretend gun violence was not a risk since its not new, traffic is a greater risk, sunburn, etc.

 

[Sue J]

My sister and BIL travel a lot. I always ask her for her itinerary so that if something awful happens in another part of the world, I know if they are in that area.

Right now they are on a cruise of the Greek Isles and then are joining a tour group seeing Budapest, Ledec, Prague and Berlin.

 

[Car-Guy]

From a safety or security perspective, if given the choice of traveling to London or Paris to see the sites "or" walking the streets of the downtown areas of most any US city "after dark", I'd go to London or Paris in the blink of an eye and not think twice about it.

Actually, I've walked the streets of London after dark many times and never really had any problems. I did "pay attention" to my surroundings, but never felt any real threats.

 

[Teacher Terry]

I have more countries in Europe that I want to see. We have been there 4 times seeing 2 countries. We stay away from places that in general there is unrest and not very safe. For instance I would never go to Egypt. But really all of this is just a personal decision on what you are comfortable with.

 

[Fedup]

There's crime everywhere...
Crime’s up in Orange County; what’s to blame? – Orange County Register

Burglary and theft is not the same as murder. Yes there is crime and there is crime.

 

[Fedup]

From a safety or security perspective, if given the choice of traveling to London or Paris to see the sites "or" walking the streets of the downtown areas of most any US city "after dark", I'd go to London or Paris in the blink of an eye and not think twice about it.

Actually, I've walked the streets of London after dark many times and never really had any problems. I did "pay attention" to my surroundings, but never felt any real threats.

I agree it's the safest big city, but I've been there years ago and walked at night with my husband and felt much safer then. I have not been to Paris recently. But it was a much better city years ago too. Maybe I'm getting older, my perspective has changed.

 

[OldShooter]

... So, it's not safe to travel abroad or stay home, or go to the hospital, or go on road trips in rural areas, or go out at night in urban areas. ...

Life is a short, fatal disease. So let's enjoy it while we can and not shy away from taking reasonable risks.

 

[Fermion]

You are much safer from Hanta virus in London than if you stay in your rural area outside of big cities.

 

[Major Tom]

I'd go tomorrow. Still safer than Chicago & Baltimore & probably many other US cities.

Me too. I live in Oakland and statistically, most likely have a higher chance of being shot while walking to the grocery store. Hasn't happened yet though.

 

[audreyh1]

The Sept we are taking BA to Heathrow, then travelling on to Berlin, Paris and Nice! What me worry?

Last year guides in Provence told me that business dropped 20% immediately after the Nice incident, cancellations, etc. Nice was still pretty packed when we got there in September, so I can't imagine how packed it must be normally. Really enjoyed it though.

When we finally arrived in Barcelona we decided that everyone went to Spain instead.

 

[Blue Collar Guy]

Sweet. Less crowds, shorter lines, lower demand, lower prices.

Of the 8,500,000 folks living in the greater London area, 8,499,993 are still alive today did not die from terrorism.

When i had to get death notifications, due to violence to family members, i never said to them, you know we used to have 2400 murders a year, now its just 700. Doesn't make things better for those that got whacked.

 

[Blue Collar Guy]

This is London on December 29, 1940, during what was the 114th straight night of being bombed during the Blitz. Londoners did not cower or cringe then, they aren't now and won't anytime in the foreseeable future. They keep calm and carry on. So should you.

i seem to remember that people sent their children to the country side to escape the carnage.

 

[Fedup]

Me too. I live in Oakland and statistically, most likely have a higher chance of being shot while walking to the grocery store. Hasn't happened yet though.

My friend from UK, the hedge fund guy, left USA with a green card after his friend was shot to death in Oakland.

 

[Blue Collar Guy]

+1

In big cities like London and Paris, you are at least 2,000 times more likely to die in a travel-related accident than from terrorism. I think if you're going to avoid London due to the infinitesimal risk of a fatal terrorist attack, you'd need to cross off many other places, too, like: New York City; Washington D.C.; Orlando; Boston; Chattanooga; San Bernardino; Columbus, Ohio; Little Rock, Arkansas; and numerous other cities, large and small, in Germany, France, Turkey, Belgium, Canada, Australia, Denmark, Egypt, Israel, China, the Philippines, Malaysia, India... and many others.

Yup all those places are off my list too. Im leaving NYC as soon as i figure out the plan.

 

[Fedup]

i seem to remember that people sent their children to the country side to escape the carnage.

My MIL was hiding under the underground tunnel in London, but she was scared for life. My husband said mentally at least.

 

[Blue Collar Guy]

You'll also want to avoid Roseburg, OR, Jackson, MS, Santa Barbara, CA, Newton, CT, Red Lake, MN, Georgetown, PA, Tyron, MO, and other similar, large metropolises. There are an average of about 45 gun homicides alone per day in the US.

Thanks ill add these to my do not enter list. Its the same reason i moved to a "nice" neighborhood in NYC. I wanted to lower my chances of getting beaten up, mugged, shot, and all the other nice things you get when you play with with fire.

 

[Blue Collar Guy]

I'd go tomorrow. Still safer than Chicago & Baltimore & probably many other US cities.

Post some pictures .

 

[stepford]

It's funny... the risk of terrorism or violence in general never particularly disturbed me nor dissuaded me from traveling - with one exception: Kidnapping creeps me out.

I used to travel in Mexico a lot more before the kidnapping wave since the mid 00's. Oddly I find the idea of being killed in a traffic accident or blown up by a terrorist not nearly as disturbing as that of being held in a closet for months while kidnappers arrange to drain my life savings. (and yes, I recognize this is no more rational than the other travel phobias described here, but I guess we all have individual things that particularly bother us).

 

[Blue Collar Guy]

Right on - it's not that rare to have a weekend with 7+ dead bodies from a little murdering right here in our own US of A medium to large cities.

So i take it you live in a dangerous city . Then you are used to this stuff. Or do you live in a safe place? It reminds me when i would be hearing stories of people that got robbed. then their tough talking friend would chime in "oh i would have taken the gun from them and made them eat it". Yeah ok,

 

[Blue Collar Guy]

My MIL was hiding under the underground tunnel in London, but she was scared for life. My husband said mentally at least.

she was/is a very smart lady.

 

[Blue Collar Guy]

It's funny... the risk of terrorism or violence in general never particularly disturbed me nor dissuaded me from traveling - with one exception: Kidnapping creeps me out.

I used to travel in Mexico a lot more before the kidnapping wave since the mid 00's. Oddly I find the idea of being killed in a traffic accident or blown up by a terrorist not nearly as disturbing as that of being held in a closet for months while kidnappers arrange to drain my life savings. (and yes, I recognize this is no more rational than the other travel phobias described here, but I guess we all have individual things that particularly bother us).

on the bright side i believe the majority of people that are kidnapped are murdered before 72 hours are over, so you wouldnt be in the closet for months.

 

[Fermion]

on the bright side i believe the majority of people that are kidnapped are murdered before 72 hours are over, so you wouldnt be in the closet for months.

Now see, this is a glass half full kind of guy!

 

[Fedup]

It's funny... the risk of terrorism or violence in general never particularly disturbed me nor dissuaded me from traveling - with one exception: Kidnapping creeps me out.

I used to travel in Mexico a lot more before the kidnapping wave since the mid 00's. Oddly I find the idea of being killed in a traffic accident or blown up by a terrorist not nearly as disturbing as that of being held in a closet for months while kidnappers arrange to drain my life savings. (and yes, I recognize this is no more rational than the other travel phobias described here, but I guess we all have individual things that particularly bother us).

Not just Mexico, I read that they kidnap people in the Philllipine also. There was a recent story about a Korean family living in Philippine, they killed the husband and still demanded ransom.

 

[haha]

I think avoiding travel to certain places may perhaps be accurately called a phobia if one must travel to these cities to make his/her living, but to me it is beyond absurd to try to apply that term to avoiding travel to give a little relief from being at home, or modern cliché of modern clichés, to punch a bucket list. Like a bird-watcher with her life list.

Duh, I might also feel pushed to travel if I were bored to death at home, but that is why it helps to live somewhere attractive.

Ha

 

[stepford]

I think avoiding travel to certain places may perhaps be accurately called a phobia if one must travel to these cities to make his/her living, but to me it is beyond absurd to try to apply that term to avoiding travel to give a little relief from being at home, or modern cliché of modern clichés, to punch a bucket list. Like a bird-watcher with her life list.

So if I'm afraid of heights I don't have acrophobia unless I'm a roofer?