Man who stuck dates with the bill looking at prison time

[JustCurious]

I would be hard pressed to convict the guy on the dine and dash... it seems that the ladies expected to have the whole meal paid for, so that is kinda sexist if they did... but that is also normal... as mentioned by the OP the ladies seem to expect to get a free meal so if they do not pay should they be charged with a crime? To me it is a civil matter... they can sue him for reimbursement... it is not a crime...

That's a good point. Let's say the genders were reversed, do you think the woman would be charged with a crime? Many women go on dates expecting the guy to pay, but when a guy expects the woman to pay he is a criminal?

 

[easysurfer]

Not condoning what they guy did, but when I go out, I always bring a wad of cash and/or credit cards in case I'm the one getting stiffed. Never know when others will stiff or are cheapskates .

 

[Walt34]

How does skipping out on a check get you felony extortion charges? Sounds like an overzealous prosecutor trying to get a plea from the defendant.

It's not just from the value of the meals, it's from the pattern of behavior. If he'd done it just once or twice I'm sure they wouldn't bother. Those four women are just the ones who are willing to take the time and trouble to go to court to establish the pattern. No doubt there are a bunch of others who just chalked it up to life's tuition and didn't complain. And I'd be willing to bet my next pension check that he's not going to get anywhere near 13 years in prison.

 

[Fedup]

That's a good point. Let's say the genders were reversed, do you think the woman would be charged with a crime? Many women go on dates expecting the guy to pay, but when a guy expects the woman to pay he is a criminal?

He dashed instead of expecting to pay the meal. It’s implied public humiliation for the gal. I think that’s the difference then when guy expects the woman to pay. They have not settled on the bill yet.

 

[Aerides]

I would be hard pressed to convict the guy on the dine and dash... it seems that the ladies expected to have the whole meal paid for, so that is kinda sexist if they did... but that is also normal... as mentioned by the OP the ladies seem to expect to get a free meal so if they do not pay should they be charged with a crime?uld put a warning on his profile and that would stop almost all women...

In the articles, the guy picked the restaurants and pushed for the expensive dinners, then walked out the door before the bill came. Regardless of what the OP says his son has experienced, that's not the story in the article, OP is conflating them.

And fwiw, NO ONE should meet for a first online date for dinner. It's stupid behavior no matter who asks or who agrees. Coffee, a drink - something you can be done with quickly if you meet and know "yeah, not for me".

My experiences were a lot like W2R mentioned, I would not even have wanted to say yes to a dinner for a first date. Too long, too expensive, too much pressure, and you can't talk much when you're eating.

To the OP, perhaps just tell your son "meet them for a coffee to start" and he'd be eliminating the weirdos he seems to keep picking.

And this is not a case of "well he expected the woman to pay" gimme a break. This is getting up saying brb phone call and disappearing, then blocking them. That's a douche, in any gender.

 

[Scrapr]

Now, the dye and dash is a crime as he had service done that he was required to pay and did not...

Senior discount isn't enough

 

[Chuckanut]

The guy just left. He did not refuse to pay for her half of the meal. He left without paying for any part of the meal including his. IOW, the guy is a JERK.

That said, I know young women who refer to Tinder and other such apps as "The Free Dinner App". I am sorry if some women are offended because other women behave like jerks. We men have the same problem. Jerks are jerks, regardless of gender.

 

[JustCurious]

The guy just left. He did not refuse to pay for her half of the meal. He left without paying for any part of the meal including his. IOW, the guy is a JERK.

I agree he is a jerk, but is he a criminal?

 

[Aerides]

I agree he is a jerk, but is he a criminal?

that will be for the judge/court to decide. Unlikely he'll do any time whatsoever, it will all be reduced to almost nothing besides full compensation, maybe a little probation to make sure he doesn't go back to it.

 

[MRG]

I agree he is a jerk, but is he a criminal?

Not only a criminal, he has multiple felonies!

 

[Walt34]

I agree he is a jerk, but is he a criminal?

It depends on the wording of the statute where the case is being prosecuted. For example, in MD there is a statute that defines "Theft by scheme and design" that would probably be applicable in a case like this.

That's why establishing a pattern of behavior is important.

The behavior clearly indicates that he is more interested in the free meal than dating anyone.

 

[Fedup]

I agree he is a jerk, but is he a criminal?

If you walk out of a restaurant without paying, is that criminal.
I know they went looking for me when I just went to a restroom after a meal.

 

[Fedup]

It depends on the wording of the statute where the case is being prosecuted. For example, in MD there is a statute that defines "Theft by scheme and design" that would probably be applicable in a case like this.

That's why establishing a pattern of behavior is important.

The behavior clearly indicates that he is more interested in the free meal than dating anyone.

I hope they pick all women jury.

 

[Aerides]

That said, I know young women who refer to Tinder and other such apps as "The Free Dinner App". I am sorry if some women are offended because other women behave like jerks. We men have the same problem. Jerks are jerks, regardless of gender.

I've never been offended that some women are jerks. And I have no reason to defend jerky women.

But I do take offense when I see the immediate baggage-laden assumptions like.. well she shouldn't have expected a free meal (nothing in the article says that), she looks heavier than her pic (so? and guess what, everyone on a dating site does.. or older, shorter, uglier, less hair, etc.), she should have planned to pay her share (maybe she did, just not get stuck in the most humiliating way ever).

 

[easysurfer]

If you walk out of a restaurant without paying, is that criminal.
I know they went looking for me when I just went to a restroom after a meal.

I'd think walking out without paying is similar to if you filled tank with gas and drove off. Know a couple of folks who got mistook for driving off without paying, next thing, cops got called.

On the other hand, I talked to someone who said she drove off one time forgetting to remove the fuel pump nozzle . In this case, the station owner ended up asking her out for a date as she was a former cheerleader. Go figure.

 

[JustCurious]

If you walk out of a restaurant without paying, is that criminal.

Yes, but the restaurant is the victim, not his date. I don't think his date was obligated to pay for his meal, only her own.

 

[Nemo2]

Yes, but the restaurant is the victim, not his date. I don't think his date was obligated to pay for his meal, only her own.

Wouldn't the restaurant insist that the other diner, (in this case the woman), settle the bill?

Guilt by association/consumption.

 

[JustCurious]

Wouldn't the restaurant insist that the other diner, (in this case the woman), settle the bill?

They probably would, but I don't think they would be right, I think the woman would be justified in standing her ground and only paying for her meal. Then it would be up to the restaurant as to whether they want to pursue the matter against the scumbag guy who walked out.

I don't think I should be legally required to pay for everything that other people order just because I am sitting at the same table.

 

[Fedup]

Yes, but the restaurant is the victim, not his date. I don't think his date was obligated to pay for his meal, only her own.

I think the restaurant should go after him. This woman should only have to pay for her part.

 

[scrabbler1]

We had a lengthy thread about dating advice last year.


http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f29/dating-advice-88381.html


In post #75 of that thread, I wrote about how I weeded out any "free-dinner" women by asking my online blind dates to meet for coffee or a snack. Most were fine with that except for one who berated me for not taking her out to dinner right away. I figure I dodged a bullet.


I think the check-dodger is a civil issue, not a criminal one. Had they requested separate checks, and he ran off while she paid her check, then it would be a criminal issue against him, and not her. As for the hair-wash-and-run, that's criminal.

 

[Souschef]

I don’t see a dramatic difference in the photo versus video pic.

I showed the 2 pics to DW, who is brilliant with this kind of thing. She said the difference between the pictures is 10 years and at least 25 pounds.
That is an objective observation, not trying to shame anyone.

 

[easysurfer]

We had a lengthy thread about dating advice last year.


http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f29/dating-advice-88381.html


In post #75 of that thread, I wrote about how I weeded out any "free-dinner" women by asking my online blind dates to meet for coffee or a snack. Most were fine with that except for one who berated me for not taking her out to dinner right away. I figure I dodged a bullet.


I think the check-dodger is a civil issue, not a criminal one. Had they requested separate checks, and he ran off while she paid her check, then it would be a criminal issue against him, and not her. As for the hair-wash-and-run, that's criminal.

Another approach to is when going out with someone, say "Order whatever you want" (and expect to stick to the offer). If the date runs up a tab, ordering the most expensive items, you know the person may be too high maintenance if you are looking for someone to spend the rest of your life with. Of course, unless you are looking for someone to live things up with .

 

[sengsational]

In court, with the restaurant incidents, it will be a he-said, she-said.

What if his lawyer claims that his client tends to drop an unexpected bomb at these types of meetings. This bomb will be specifically recounted in court. Whatever specific thing they say he said, it will be something that would make people like those he dated furious! Say he takes a strong position on killing his dogs that can't hunt. That's a stupid example, but lawyers are more creative than I am. Anyway, then the date gets furious and because he feels so uncomfortable and unsafe, he makes an excuse and flees the scene. The jury is going to have to think "What the man was furious over something the woman had said? How would we feel about convicting a woman who fled that situation?"

The verdict will depend on if he spends enough on a lawyer and if they can put together a believable story.

 

[Amethyst]

And at least 10 years. Not funny, not OK, not "Oh, that's my good side in the photo."

Sure, we all put our best side forward when advertising ourselves; but there is a limit.

If I went to a date with a man who turned out to be 40 pounds heavier and 10 years older than his profile pic, I would turn around and leave. That way, nobody would be stuck with a bill.

At least 40 pounds difference!

 

[Texas Proud]

I do like the thinking that the lady should have only paid for their meal... but also report to the restaurant the name of the guy and let them report or go after him...


BUT, I am surprised that nobody else has mentioned anything on one of my thoughts.... have the app attach a warning... IOW, I also think the app is guilty in this case... they should have something where you can report abuse and it be displayed or the person banned from the site... no app to get people no dine and dash...


And I still feel that if the gender of the person doing this was reversed nobody would be talking about it... or if both were the same gender... it is only the man running out on a woman...