MRG
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+10,000meeting a $40k price point would be a huge advantage in the pickup truck segment.
If they are able to meet that...
+10,000meeting a $40k price point would be a huge advantage in the pickup truck segment.
If they are able to meet that...
Well, I just put in a order for a dual motor Cybertruck. It is only $100 anyway.
Are you kidding Mr T? And this doesn’t show all the prior losses. Revenue up, still thin margins or losses - Model 3 bump is over, and I’d be surprised if the (goofy) truck helps. Model Y? I’d say way too soon to tell, until the next recession maybe.I keep hearing how Tesla's death is imminent from forum members, going back to the old Tesla thread, yet it hasn't occurred. Will any admit publicly they were wrong?
Jury is still out. Too early for either side to declare victory.
The failed demo of the "unbreakable" window reminded me of this incidence.
Earlier this year, a driver of a Tesla S got himself in an accident when he hit a tree. The car shortly burst into flames. A policeman along with many bystanders came immediately upon the scene, but they could not open the door because the car did not extend the door handles. All they could do was to watch the man died of smoke inhalation, then burned completely along with the car.
What I find disturbing is that they could not break the glass to rescue the man. The autopsy showed that he suffered no broken bones, and would have walked away from this accident if he could get out.
Now, even with stronger glass, a car can really become a death trap.
And I read further about how the passengers in the rear seat of the Tesla 3 would have a hell of a time escaping from the car in an accident, if the car does not unlock the door. It's a tougher problem with the Tesla X rear gullwing doors. Interested people can search the Web to learn more.
Will it pull a horse trailer (about 7,500lbs with both horses and all related crap) about 300 miles? How does it do going down a long grade? Is there an integrated brake controller? ...
The failed demo of the "unbreakable" window reminded me of this incidence.
Any EV (or hybrid) relies on regenerative braking. That is, it runs the motors as generators, which creates a drag on the car, and captures that energy to charge the batteries, instead of wasting it by turning it into heat as traditional friction brakes do.
But if the battery is already near full charge, it may not be able to absorb this extra energy from braking. In an ICE car/truck, you downshift and use the engine for braking. On a long downhill grade, you can burn up your brakes if you don't do this. Or sometimes overheat them to the point that any residual moisture in the brake fluid turns to steam, which is compressible, and renders the brakes near useless.
So going down a long grade in an EV with a near full battery could be problematic. And in this context, "problematic" means: "Oh cr@p!!!! I don't have any brakes, and I can't downshift!!!".
-ERD50
I am also reminded of this incident from way back. (Note: this may be apocryphal.)
I am also reminded of this incident from way back. (Note: this may be apocryphal.)
Boeing was working on a new jet plane. They wanted to test the pilot's window to see how it would react if a bird hit the window at high speeds. So, they developed a cannon to shoot bird carcasses at the window. They send a guy to the grocery store to buy some whole chickens. He returned, placed the chicken in the cannon and FRIED!! The chicken body smashed through the window and penetrated into the cabin causing great damage. The engineers where shocked!
Then somebody noticed the newly purchased chicken body. It was still frozen.
Are you suggesting the Tesla folks forgot to thaw the steel ball?
But how often does a situation like this actually happen? This reminds me of a guy who never wore his seat belt. His reasoning was that he didn't want to get trapped in the car if he ever crashed into the water.
This being said, I would like to See Tesla address this issue somehow. But if given the option of 'unbreakable' glass in any vehicle, I'd gladly take it.
Will it pull a horse trailer (about 7,500lbs with both horses and all related crap) about 300 miles? How does it do going down a long grade? Is there an integrated brake controller? What about the mirrors? Until I can learn stuff like this, it’s not even up for consideration as replacement for our current truck.
The top level version can achieve 500 miles of driving on one charge and tow 17,000 lbs. It can also go from 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, faster than a low-entry Ferrari. And the body cannot be dinged by a sledgehammer. And it has Full Self-driving capability. Starts at $39,900. Well, there was a niche market that bought the big Hummer when it came out at $100,000+. Why not. The front lights of the Cybertruck looks like the Knightrider car.
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Are you suggesting the Tesla folks forgot to thaw the steel ball?
It’s come and gone, you missed it.Good luck on finding one at $39,900. I still don't see the promised $35,000 Model 3, and the tax credit is running out soon, raising the effective price by $7,500 over when that promise was made.
One of many sources last Spring https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28691921/tesla-model-3-standard-range-price-change/February 2019: Tesla announced that the $35,000 Model 3 was finally available to order. It was said to be a stripped-out version of the Model 3 with cloth seats and a "Standard Interior" configuration with few standard features, priced starting at $36,200 ($35,000 plus a $1200 destination charge).
April 2019: Tesla removed the Model 3 Standard Range from its online ordering system and announced that it would be a special-order-only model available only at physical Tesla stores. The company also said that the Standard Range model would now be a software-limited version of the Standard Range Plus with the "Partial Premium Interior" and with certain features locked out, rather than the previously announced model with cloth seats and a "Standard" interior setup.
Any EV (or hybrid) relies on regenerative braking. That is, it runs the motors as generators, which creates a drag on the car, and captures that energy to charge the batteries, instead of wasting it by turning it into heat as traditional friction brakes do.
But if the battery is already near full charge, it may not be able to absorb this extra energy from braking. In an ICE car/truck, you downshift and use the engine for braking. On a long downhill grade, you can burn up your brakes if you don't do this. Or sometimes overheat them to the point that any residual moisture in the brake fluid turns to steam, which is compressible, and renders the brakes near useless.
So going down a long grade in an EV with a near full battery could be problematic. And in this context, "problematic" means: "Oh cr@p!!!! I don't have any brakes, and I can't downshift!!!".
-ERD50
Are you kidding Mr T? And this doesn’t show all the prior losses. Revenue up, still thin margins or losses - Model 3 bump is over, and I’d be surprised if the (goofy) truck helps. Model Y? I’d say way too soon to tell, until the next recession maybe.