Coronavirus - Health aspects

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Well, I, for one, am getting prepared. I've found what worked during the Black Plague is good enough to work today and ordered up this off Amazon;
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It is an authentic Plague Doctor suit. Guaranteed to keep me from getting the latest plague, guaranteed. I can't wait to go pick up the grand kids from school next week...
 
Well, they kept the pope seated between burning fires. That worked for him during the plague.
 
A hospital tacked together from shipping containers with bars on the windows is not the same as keeping 50 million people who aren't allowed to go anywhere fed.
What is your source that hospital built from shipping containers? Not consistent with news story I had seen.
 
This is an excellent source of information from the standpoint of university virologists: This Week in Virology | A podcast about viruses - the kind that make you sick

The scientists are chatty, spending time discussing the weather in the cities where they are located. After that, they are deadly serious. It also includes links to papers and resources discussed. The last 2, or 3, broadcasts are about the novel coronavirus.
 
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The image above seems to be intended to scare people. If you go to the original article, you may notice a few things:

Be scared if you want to, but I'd encourage thoughtful review of what any media outlet says.

But the actual rate, as noted above is less than 3%.

My wife has relatives in China. Initially the Chinese government told the public that the situation is being investigated and people should not panic.

Some people did panic and they stock up on 1 to 2 months food supply so they can hunker down in their homes. The people who did not panic did not do this. Later they discovered most of the food are gone so they got screwed because they now have to go store to store to find food exposing themselves to the virus.

When the government tells you not to panic...then that is the time to panic.

Bottomline: Do you "trust" the government to tell you the truth?
 
What is your source that hospital built from shipping containers? Not consistent with news story I had seen.

You tell me what they are made out of. The few pictures I have seen on line are that they are basic, quicky structures with serious steel bars on the windows. I assume they will be burned and demolished when this is all over.
 
What is your source that hospital built from shipping containers? Not consistent with news story I had seen.


I am a retired civil engineer and they are not shipping containers. If you look very closely, just about everything is modular construction materials: Frame work, walls, ceiling, etc. This reduces the engineering design and all you have to do is build a flat foundation first and construct the hospital just like a lego set.

The hardest part is the wiring, ventilation, and plumbing. The hospital environment will be under slightly negative pressure to allow outside air to enter but prevent potentially contaminated inside air from leaving. There must be a filter system for the exhaust end of the suction air pumps. I know these things because I worked on military hospitals which may have soldiers contaminated by biological warfare weapons.
 
You tell me what they are made out of. The few pictures I have seen on line are that they are basic, quicky structures with serious steel bars on the windows. I assume they will be burned and demolished when this is all over.

They are mentioned as pre-fab or modular. FYI, these appear to be similar to how cruise ships are built, units constructed offsite. There are hotels now being built this way too. I'd guess it would be demolished after this is over as well.

FYI - https://admares.com/healthcare/modular-patient-rooms
 
A prefab mod could not be built this fast in the US unless some fast track was given to all the permits and impact studies required just to build a slab foundation. I suspect that a waiver may be granted in our case if there is a promise to return it to the "before" state. But a court order may be required.


BTW, the movie "Contagion" is an interesting watch right now. The big difference is the virus in the movie is like 95+% lethal. Some of the other details (bats, air travel) are eerily correct.
 
A live link regarding the virus.

https://www.livescience.com/new-china-coronavirus-faq.html

This is just a portion of today's update.....

Update on Monday, Feb. 3 (ET):
Three new cases of coronavirus were confirmed in California and one in Massachusetts, bringing the total number of reported cases in the U.S. to 11 as of Feb. 3.
—Three patients now at hospitals in New York City are suspected of having the coronavirus. While one is a woman under 40, the other two are over 60. All had recently visited mainland China and other viruses have been ruled out.
 
Following is a video from an American still stuck in Wuhan. He cannot evacuate, because his 1-month newborn and wife have not had a chance to obtain papers.

With no commerce activities, how long until people's pantries run out, if they do not already? The lockdown affects 50 million people in 16 cities in the Hubei province, and that's a lot of people.

 
Germany is one of the countries that evacuate their citizens, and quarantines them in a military base.

See the cots in a facility at 0:20. I guess 2 weeks of that is still a lot better than being stuck in Wuhan right now.

 
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The Time video was an Interesting video.
The woman with the kid sounds totally clueless thinking "they will somehow get the passport to her" and then she can fly out :facepalm: (I can think of many reasons that is not going to work out well).

Talk about empty streets in the middle of the day .... wow
 
Talk about empty streets in the middle of the day .... wow

Makes one wonder if they are just panicking, or are we oblivious.
 
A prefab mod could not be built this fast in the US unless some fast track was given to all the permits and impact studies required just to build a slab foundation. I suspect that a waiver may be granted in our case if there is a promise to return it to the "before" state. But a court order may be required.


People has to understand that when you go overseas, the rules are different. For example, I volunteered for Afghanistan as a Civilian Civil Engineer since I had prior military service. The US Army was constructing a Combat Hospital that is designed treat soldiers from a biological attack. I asked the captain in charge whether the US Army got the building permits from the Afghan authorities. He then held up his weapon. He stated that "this" is his permit. A joke of course since I suspect they likely got verbal authority from the Afghan in return for Afghan aid. (Sounds familiar doesn't it)

In China, they probably waived everything so they can get their hospital to meet an emergency condition. You have to get the authority to waive the normal requirements and I suspect that authority directive came from President Xi. Their system is different from our system. No dissent from an opposing party because this is no opposing party. The result: Things happen fast.
 
You tell me what they are made out of. The few pictures I have seen on line are that they are basic, quicky structures with serious steel bars on the windows. I assume they will be burned and demolished when this is all over.


Steel bars on the windows? Ah-Ha!!! Must be pre-fab units that were staged to build an instant prison for Uyghurs if they make trouble.

I always wondered how they could have manufactured the prefabs material so quickly...They were already built and staged for another purpose. One prison cell = one hospital bed. Very clever.
 
I think the construction in China happens fast because, besides instant approval due to top down directive, China has had decades of practice building stuff for the world.
So they are now very skilled at modular construction of all sorts of things, none of this pour cement and let it harden for a week delay.

Personally I would have thought they could just pitch 5,000 tents to use as hospital rooms, and use distance as the isolating factor.
 
Got this email from Vanguard today:
The coronavirus is making news around the world and triggering volatility in global stock markets. Fears over the spread of this virus led Chinese stocks to fall 8% on Monday when the market reopened after the Lunar New Year holiday.

U.S. markets were up today and the overall response has been muted, but we can't predict how markets will react in the future.

The coronavirus has a lot in common with the SARS virus that jolted China's economy in 2003, with transportation, tourism, and hospitality hit especially hard. Those sectors and retail will likely be among the hardest-hit again. However, China's prompt and internationally coordinated response this time may offer some reassurance that the human and economic effects can be limited.

What's different this time?

While the situation is likely to get worse before it gets better, experts anticipate acute but short-lived harm to China's growth.

The main effect on China's economic growth will likely be one of public sentiment. The good news is that the Chinese government has taken serious actions quickly.

Vanguard therefore has maintained its outlook for China's 2020 GDP growth at 5.8%, though the risk is clearly toward the downside. While the coronavirus threatens growth in the near term, Vanguard foresees the potential for a rebound in the second half of the year amid anticipated government stimulus.

What it means for you

Your portfolio includes exposure to non-U.S. investments. In our December Spotlight (see below), we featured international investing and the important role it plays in diversifying your portfolio. We reminded investors that "markets outside of the U.S. don't always rise and fall at the same time as domestic markets, so owning pieces of both can level out some of your portfolio's volatility."

Our approach to building your financial plan follows Vanguard's time-tested investment philosophy. We don't believe timing the market based on short-term events—like a slump in China's markets—will help you reach your goals.

A sound financial plan considers your goals and builds a diversified portfolio that will get you through unforeseen, short-term market events. We don't recommend any changes to your allocation based on recent global health events.

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You can take the red pill or the blue pill...

Ha....not being much of a sci-fi fan, I had to look that up. :)

Then, juxtaposed it with "And the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all". ;)
 
Personally I would have thought they could just pitch 5,000 tents to use as hospital rooms, and use distance as the isolating factor.


I cut and paste on what happens to sick patient's body temperature..

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When your body temperature rises because of an infection, it's called a fever. Fevers are caused by chemicals called pyrogens flowing in the bloodstream. Pyrogens make their way to the hypothalamus in the brain, which is in charge of regulating body temperature. When pyrogens bind to certain receptors in the hypothalamus, body temperature rises.
One common pyrogen is called Interleukin-1 (IL-1). IL-1 is produced by white blood cells called macrophages when they come into contact with certain bacteria and viruses. IL-1 has multiple purposes, one of which is to signal other white blood cells, called helper T cells, into action.
One purpose of a fever is thought to be to raise the body's temperature enough to kill off certain bacteria and viruses sensitive to temperature changes. One interesting debate right now, therefore, is, "Should you lower a fever?" Aspirin, for example, will reduce fever; but if the fever is actually helping rid the body of infection, then lowering it might not be a good idea. On the other hand, people sometimes die from fever. Right now the general medical consensus falls on the "reduce the fever" side of the fence.

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You need a controlled environment to help a sick patient that has a virus. You do not want to force a sick patient to generate body heat to keep himself/herself warm when he or she is using all their energy to fight the virus. A hospital has central heat and air conditioning which can be easily regulated in the patient's room. The temperature and humility is a Tent is much harder to regulate.
 
I had hypothermia when I contracted sepsis, so one size apparently doesn't fit all.
 
Ha....not being much of a sci-fi fan, I had to look that up. :)

Then, juxtaposed it with "And the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all". ;)

I haven't listened to that in decades.....Jefferson Airplane.....White Rabbit. :cool:
 
I haven't listened to that in decades.....Jefferson Airplane.....White Rabbit. :cool:

Grace Slick is 80!

We listen to/watch White Rabbit quite often...albeit erratically.
 
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