The Anti-Primary

[RetireeRobert]

Hillary with Obama as VP wins it all.

Will NEVER happen. Not in this universe, and not in any parallel universes.

Hillary might take Evan Bayh for VP, never Obama.

 

[ladelfina]

An Obama/Edwards ticket would be great.. not a fan of HRC but I think much of the crap she gets is undeserved. Someone challenged someone else here to delineate exactly what they disagreed with her over.. and no response was forthcoming. She has a harder row to hoe than the others; her only 'advantage' (close hand experience of WH workings) is in many respects a 'disadvantage'.

I continue to be surprised that she is the most disliked..she just doesn't seem that bad, but the MSM has it in for her: when she wore skirts, she had "chunky legs".. now she wears pantsuits and they hate that.. she can never get her hair right, THAT's always a concern.. then there's her blouse, which if it shows any cleavage is scandal #1 on the front page.. if she laughs, she "cackles", if she's serious, she's "hard" and if she tears up, it's a "meltdown".

I think the Beltway Boys are just not grown up enough for a lady president. They'd pull her pigtails if she had them.. and dip them in the inkwell. They'd love to drop a worm down the back of her shirt, or let loose a mouse in hopes that she'll jump on a table. Maybe in the next generation there'll be a chance.

 

[Trek]

Hillary with Obama as VP wins it all.

Reminds me of Chris Rock on SNL when talking about the possibility of Bush picking Colin Powell as his VP in 2000.

"Now as you know, there's been alot of talk about a black vice president. And I just wanna tell the world that it'll never happen. As long as you live you will never see a black vice president, you know why? Because some black guy would just kill the president. I'd do it. If Colin Powell was vice president, I'd kill the president and tell his mother about it. What would happen to me? What would they do? Put me in jail with a bunch of black guys that would treat me like a king for the rest of my life? I would be the biggest star in jail, alright, people would be coming up to me and I'd be signing autographs: "97-KY, here you go." Guys would be going: "You're the brother that shot Bush. And you told his mother about it huh? I hope my children turn out to be just like you, Man, you know I was getting ready to rape you until I realized who you were. And even if they had a death penalty, what would happen? I'd just be pardoned by the black president."

 

[imnxpat]

I dislike John McCain even more than Dubya, which is really saying something. The reason is the former's remark that only a Christian is fit to be president of the United States.

 

[ladelfina]

Hey.. "Freedom Requires Religion"!! (the Mittster)

 

[toofrugalformycat]

So am I accurately summarizing the answer to my question about why many people dislike Hillary so much is that "she seems insincere?"
That makes sense to me - I don't know of any specific actions she's taken that would arouse such enmity. Neither Gore nor Kerry would pass a Hollywood screen test, and the same thing may be bringing down Clinton.
Thanks.

 

[Notmuchlonger]

So am I accurately summarizing the answer to my question about why many people dislike Hillary so much is that "she seems insincere?"
That makes sense to me - I don't know of any specific actions she's taken that would arouse such enmity. Neither Gore nor Kerry would pass a Hollywood screen test, and the same thing may be bringing down Clinton.
Thanks.

Her old man humiliated her by getting oral sex while in office ( and got caught ). Obviously if she didnt have the backbone to kick his ass out why would I vote for her as a president? No backbone.

 

[ladelfina]

mmm.. but she didn't play the victim card one bit. You have to admire THAT backbone.

What would the media be saying about Hillary if she'd divorced Bill? That she's a "wronged woman"? That she didn't try to hold the marriage together for the good of Chelsea? That she ran at the first sign of trouble?? She's had a big target painted on her forehead from Day One, and she always will no matter what she does.

You get the sense that the Clintons really like each other! Don't get that vibe from Bush I and II.

I think it's hard to get to know her because her consultants and handlers are so paranoid about possible mis-steps that she can't be herself. The media won't let you know who she is.. they seem worried about what her laugh sounds like. I don't think she's any more insincere than the next politician... just that people have decided "they don't like her".. much of the reason being "so many people don't like her'... but I think that may be starting to backfire, and she may be starting to get some sympathy due to all the "bashing".

 

[Rustic23]

Ladelfina,
"You get the sense that the Clintons really like each other! Don't get that vibe from Bush I and II."

What color are your glasses!

 

[ERD50]

Ladelfina,
"You get the sense that the Clintons really like each other! Don't get that vibe from Bush I and II."

What color are your glasses!

I think it is all in the eye of the beholder. Many people (maybe even ~ 50% of voters?) would think just the opposite.

I also think Ladelfina's view of the media reports on Hillary are influenced by her allegiances. I'm not saying the media hasn't said all those things, but I never pay much attention to that kind of stupid reporting anyhow. I suspect that people on the 'other side' could point out just as much stupid stuff reported about the other candidates. Just depends which comments one is sensitive to.


-ERD50

 

[ladelfina]

ERD50 - you're right! (and I went too far in my speculations.. it shouldn't matter what any pres. couple's relationship is as long as it doesn't affect their job).

I usually don't like Dave Barry as much as most people seem to.. but this was funny:

When her eyes appeared to well up with tears during a campaign appearance at a New Hampshire diner, was that real welling? Or did she fake the welling? If she did, in fact, well, do we know for certain that those were her own personal tears? Why was no sample made available to the media for testing?

 

[Lazarus]

Looking at the list I can't help but wonder where the Ronald Regans and John Kenedys of today are? This is the best we have got?

 

[Purron]

My mom doesn't trust any of the candidates. She thinks that anyone who wants to be President is nuts.

Your mom is a wise lady. Maybe she should be president

 

[redmcclain]

I think the issue of being "handled" by consultants is true for most if not all the candidates. Al Gore & Bob Dole both seemed to me more "real" once their elections were over than at any time during the campaign. It's as if you must trade your personality (and perhaps your soul) for some sort of Stepford persona in order to run for president.

 

[ERD50]

ERD50 - you're right! (and I went too far in my speculations.. it shouldn't matter what any pres. couple's relationship is as long as it doesn't affect their job).

I usually don't like Dave Barry as much as most people seem to.. but this was funny:

Well, you may have missed my point - I wasn't really saying that the relationship that a candidate has with their spouse doesn't matter. If that is important to a significant % of voters, then it 'matters'. I think it's reasonable that some people might think that the way a candidate deals with their personal relationships can be an indicator (at least to a degree) of how they may deal with external relationships. Some may think it is irrelevant - personal call, I guess.

What I was (and also Rustic I think) reacting to was your view that Bill & Hillary's relationship appears to be better than the Bush's and their spouses. Now, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I think many people would not see it that way. My impression (just an impression, I may be wrong) is that the only thing holding the Clinton relationship together is their mutual desire for power (not a criticism, an observation). Bill has publicly humiliated himself and his wife and damaged the relationship over his affairs, which he knew would run the risk of becoming public. I'm not aware of any disrespect like that in the Bush relationships - but for all we know, there could be worse (but not public) issues. Or they could be 'cold' relationships - but who knows? But I personally see no reason to assume the Clinton's relationship is better than either of the Bush's. Thus, the 'colored glasses' comment.

Oh, the Dave Barry satire *is* funny (in a sad kind of way) - very much ado about very little, this whole 'emotion' thing - can't the press talk about the important stuff?

-ERD50

 

[ERD50]

I think the issue of being "handled" by consultants is true for most if not all the candidates. Al Gore & Bob Dole both seemed to me more "real" once their elections were over than at any time during the campaign. It's as if you must trade your personality (and perhaps your soul) for some sort of Stepford persona in order to run for president.

Thanks, I meant to comment on that one too...

again, Ladelfina - rosy colored glasses? I also think this scenario applies to all candidates. There is a strong fear that offending any one group could hurt your chances, so they walk on eggshells, and in some ways, try to avoid saying anything at all.

-ERD50

 

[TromboneAl]

Reminds me of Chris Rock on SNL when talking about the possibility of Bush picking Colin Powell as his VP in 2000.

Chris Rock on whether America is ready for a black president: "Why not? We already tried a retarded president."

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If you want to get a feeling for what's involved in electing a president, rent The War Room. A behind-the-scenes documentary about the Clinton for President campaign, focusing on the adventures of spin doctors James Carville and George Stephanopoulos.

It shows how the election hinges more on clever turns of phrases rather than issues.

IMDb Video: Trailer for The War Room

 

[Rustic23]

A Secret Service Agent during the Clinton administration made the comment that they would be outside the residence and the words the Clinton's would call each other could not be printed. Then, the door would open, out would come Bill and Hillary arm in arm with a big smile on their face. He said it was a common occurrence before and especially after Monica.

 

[growing_older]

Mike Huckabee.

Some excellent politicians have had personal religous faith, fine. But the evangelicals scare me and his stand on evolution makes me think he values faith more than logic or reason in decision making. Maybe that works well for his own personal ethics, but I have nightmares about two large populations squaring off against each other, each with no restraint because God is on their side.

 

[TromboneAl]

Same here. Christians against the muslims. Crusades, part II.

 

[USK Coastie]

Then Hillery thinks "that no woman is an illegal alien". I guess she will say anything to anyone to get their vote. She just won't get mine .

Huckbee won't get my vote either. His support for allowing illegal aliens to get instate college tuition and scholarships is a non starter for me.

 

[Gumby]

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[toofrugalformycat]

Her old man humiliated her by getting oral sex while in office ( and got caught ). Obviously if she didnt have the backbone to kick his ass out why would I vote for her as a president? No backbone.

It's a given that Bill Clinton has a zipper problem. He's not running. I still don't know who I'm going to back, but I know nothing about the sex lives of the candidates or their spouses, and that's just fine with me. OK, I know more about Bill's than I'd like.

But given that this country elected and re-elected a convicted and admitted drunken driver, seems like deciding against Hillary because her husband committed adultery with a consenting adult is a little bit, oh, I don't know, inconsistent.

Having lost two friends to drunken drivers, I consider DUI premeditated murder.

 

[REWahoo]

It's a given that Bill Clinton has a zipper problem.

Hey, no special treatment for anyone here, even ex-Presidents. Bill can just put him on ignore like everyone else.

 

[Notmuchlonger]

It's a given that Bill Clinton has a zipper problem. He's not running. I still don't know who I'm going to back, but I know nothing about the sex lives of the candidates or their spouses, and that's just fine with me. OK, I know more about Bill's than I'd like.

But given that this country elected and re-elected a convicted and admitted drunken driver, seems like deciding against Hillary because her husband committed adultery with a consenting adult is a little bit, oh, I don't know, inconsistent.

Having lost two friends to drunken drivers, I consider DUI premeditated murder.

You asked why someone wouldnt vote for Hillary. I gave my reason. You bring up something about a drunk guy and that the country voted him in. This pertains to me how? By the way I didnt vote for the drunk guy either. You quoted me so Im assuming you were directing that at me.