Retiring to Central America

Panama is the one place we’ve considered. The canal has created a hybrid small but urban and worldly quality we like, and the tax-free status means availability of most things found elsewhere.
I hear incredible things about the birding in Panama. I look forward to visiting one of these days, and if the birding is really that good (which it must be), I expect we'll visit often.

Crossed through the panama canal west to east twice as a pre-teen - but that's all I remember of Panama.

Audrey
 
Thanks, MichaelB and kevink. kevink, the KatieJack travel blog was very interesting as were your follow-up comments. I rather favour Chapala myself.
 
We used to live in the Southwest and are currently living full-time in the Lake Chapala area of Mexico. I've also spent a lot of time traveling in Central America.

kevink, I always appreciate your first-hand reports. I hope to make it to the Chapala area one day. I hope to be passing along my impressions of Ecuador when I go later this month.
 
It's reports like these that keep me on this board...fantastic information!:D Keep it coming, please, for those of us that are interested.:greetings10:
 
We used to live in the Southwest and are currently living full-time in the Lake Chapala area of Mexico.
KatieJack | Katie & Jack in Ecuador | Travel Blog

I would love to read your Travel Blog about your current location, Lake Chapala. Could you share that link?

Sam

BTW, I totally agree with your assessment on International Living Magazine. I subscribed to it a couple years ago for 12 months. What a waste of money.
 
That's two complaints about International Living. I read the website and was thinking of subscribing. Maybe not....
 
Onward, make that three. They are touts. I subscribed for a year, too. Sometimes there is interesting stuff, but it is basically escapist writing about foreign real estate. The last thing a serious expat should think about is buying real estate.
 
Sometimes there is interesting stuff, but it is basically escapist writing about foreign real estate.

And not a good job at that either. Mostly anecdotal. There is no or very little research done to provide a balanced view. Most if not all articles qualify as blogs.
 
Most of the writers in travel pieces are just travelers like us who choose to write about it.
 
Compared to small-town southern Colorado or New Mexico I would say rental costs are as high or higher here than there, but there's fresh food all year round of vastly superior quality at less than 1/3rd the price, utilities are less than half as much, due largely to no heating or air conditioning and - the clincher - health insurance and health care costs are about 10% of what we were paying NOB, for better care.

What would you expect to pay for a mid-range 2 to 3 bedroom house, condo or apartment on a long term rental in Chapala? Just curious how expensive it is there.
 
Coldwell Banker Chapala Realty "Rentals"

gives you a pretty good idea of the rental rate for the area. It's definitely cheaper than the already low-cost Houston.

Yeah, looks to be roughly 30-50% cheaper than my area for what furnished places would go for. Plenty of decent, if small-ish, places in the $500-600 range from that link you posted. $800 gets you a pretty nice larger place. Hard to do an apples to apples comparison because I'm more familiar with unfurnished rentals, and the Chapala rentals include a lot of free extras in some of the listings (like maid, gardener, water, etc). $600 would get me a 1-2 bedroom average unfurnished apartment in a below average neighborhood here.

And I imagine someone who had spent some time there could find something locally without going through an expat oriented real estate agency that would be a better value.
 
And I imagine someone who had spent some time there could find something locally without going through an expat oriented real estate agency that would be a better value.

Yep. Unfortunately (from what I learned on various forums) most Americans prefer to live in their "own communities". In other words, they prefer not to have local Mexicans as neighbors. There are exceptions of course.
 
Yep. Unfortunately (from what I learned on various forums) most Americans prefer to live in their "own communities". In other words, they prefer not to have local Mexicans as neighbors. There are exceptions of course.

I guess if you just want a higher standard of living and can't afford it stateside, then that model of seeking out an inexpensive expat community works. They aren't REALLY going there to immerse themselves in the culture. Just to eat some good comida and drink some cheap cerveza while living the good life. Cheap. Nothing wrong with that!
 
Of course not. I was simply saying it's tough (or tougher) to find better value if you're limiting yourself to certain communities.
 
Of course not. I was simply saying it's tough (or tougher) to find better value if you're limiting yourself to certain communities.

I know what you mean. I have had that first hand experience with hotels in Mexico. There's the kind that caters to Mexican nationals that might be $20 a night and decent. Then there's the international (or mostly American) targeted hotels that offers a higher standard for $50+. I would assume the same thing is true in Chapala with the monthly or long term rental market.
 
Regarding real estate prices down here: just as with renting, it's very much a "you must be present to win" situation. A lot of the best deals are in the Mexican papers, priced in pesos, and you need fluent Spanish or to hire someone with same to help you. The stuff on MLS here is higher-end, gringo-owned mostly, priced in dollars.

You also need to know that buying a house here is a cash transaction - mortgages are nearly unheard-of. There's a glut of inventory, but at the same time many can afford to wait to get their price.

Ballpark, you can get a decent 1-2 BR condo for $90-150K, a nice house for 200K, a palace for 400K. Property taxes on a 300K place are less than $300 a year.

That said, anyone thinking of moving down here ought to rent for at least a year, and more likely forever. Appreciation is negative to minimal at the moment, construction standards are nothing like the U.S., and any problems, from title issues to cracking walls, are the buyer's to deal with, with no recourse. Plus, there are any number of things that could call you back to the U.S. on short notice, from a crime spike to a family or health care emergency to simply finding out that Mexico is just too far or too difficult culturally (life away from the tourist resorts is very, very different).

On the subject of blogs about this area, I do have one but it's all over the place in terms of content. Instead I'd recommend one by some friends of ours who live at Lake Chapala and have done a fantastic job of chronicling life both here and in fun places to visit around the country. Plus, they're way better photographers than I'll ever be!

Jim & Carole's Mexico Adventure
 
On the subject of blogs about this area, I do have one but it's all over the place in terms of content. Instead I'd recommend one by some friends of ours who live at Lake Chapala and have done a fantastic job of chronicling life both here and in fun places to visit around the country. Plus, they're way better photographers than I'll ever be!

Jim & Carole's Mexico Adventure

Thanks kevink.
 
Those Chapala rentals look nice and really cheap. Do any of you know what kind of boating and fishing is possible on the lake? Tell me it's full of largemouth bass, and you may soon have a new neighbor!

Really cheap? Yep, I had to check - you're from California. :D It's all relative!
 
This is a great thread, y'all! Twice when I googled what I was looking for ("early retirement Costa Rica"), this thread came up. I would appreciate a little advice on where to go for my question, and I apologize if it's been asked a million times but I didn't find the answer.
Here goes: I'm 50, and want to retire before 55 so I can FINALLY pursue a music and writing business and not be tied to the US employer for benefits. I have plenty of funds to live modestly (not luxuriously) until the pension and SS kick in. It's still not clear to me what the required minimum bank deposit is in Costa Rica to qualify to be a resident and become part of the health care system. I lived in CR for a year in the 1990s while researching my doctoral dissertation, and I absolutely love it. I love the history, the people, the social democracy, and the music scene in San José. Seriously, I will have the funds to live for $1,500 a month (conservatively) for the 6-8 years until the SS and pension kick in. Is this "doughnut hole" situation discussed anywhere but I'm just not finding it?

Another way of framing my question: how much money does one need to legally live in Costa Rica or Panama for a few years (and have access to health care) before the US retirement funds kick in? Many thanks!
 
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