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Rjhasti

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I am new to this site and just retired a few months ago. I have done a lot of research on ETFs and the are the ones I found to be the best:
XLK
SCHG
VGT
SCHD.....for dividend only
FSELX......a semi conductor mutual fund because I can't find any ETF semi conductor fund as good as this.

What are your thoughts?
 
Welcome to the site. Last month I put a small amount to FSELX, for kicks. Not my type of investing or saving. 10k, we'll see how it goes.
 
I am new to this site and just retired a few months ago. I have done a lot of research on ETFs and the are the ones I found to be the best:
XLK
SCHG
VGT
SCHD.....for dividend only
FSELX......a semi conductor mutual fund because I can't find any ETF semi conductor fund as good as this.

What are your thoughts?
There is over a half century of research consistently showing that past performance does not predict future results and that over the long term (5+ years) stock picking doesn't work. I suggest that you do some reading:

"If You Can" by William Bernstein https://www.etf.com/docs/IfYouCan.pdf (free 16 page download)

"The Coffee House Investor" by Bill Schultheis https://www.amazon.com/Coffeehouse-Investor-Wealth-Ignore-Street/dp/159184584X (This is Bill's first book; read it before reading his second one.)

"The Bogleheads Guide to Investing" by Taylor Larimore et al https://www.amazon.com/Bogleheads-Guide-Investing-Taylor-Larimore/dp/0470067365

"Winning the Loser's Game" by Charles Ellis https://www.amazon.com/Winning-Losers-Game-Strategies-Successful-dp-1264258461/dp/1264258461 (latest edition, May 2021)

"A Random Walk Down Wall Street" by Burton Malkiel https://www.amazon.com/Random-Walk-Down-Wall-Street-dp-1324051132/dp/1324051132 (latest edition January 2023)

I hesitantly also recommend bogleheads.org. It is a huge resource but really too huge IMO to be a good resource for beginners. Try it for yourself.
 
The nutshell of the research findings is that for the average investor, the optimum portfolio is the market portfolio as that contains all the information that all the market participants have about the future, already priced in. You are not likely to know more or outguess the sum of the knowledge of everyone else, so over time, it's very hard to beat the market portfolio. You can get that with minimal operating costs in ETFs like Vanguard's Total Market and Fidelity's Zero Total Market.

The quote from John Bogle, late CEO of Vanguard was "I've never known anyone that could consistently beat the market, in fact, I've never known anyone that knew anyone that could consistently beat the market". That makes it mighty hard to do!

If you are just now thinking about investing in stocks, don't go too high on your stock allocation, you need them, but when they go down, you won't like them. Chickening out and selling when the market dumps is a classic bad behavior that folks that haven't been through it before will do and it can permanently blow a huge hole in your savings. Because they can go down and stay down for a long time, you should not put money into stocks that you will need to spend in the next few years.

Most retirees should be holding some fixed income too, there is much spirited discussion here about how best to do that. Personally I hold an intermediate term bond ETF with very low fees, others buy Treasuries, TIPS, I-bonds, corporates, CDs etc.

As OldShooter said, read up before jumping in. Investing can be simple, but having the patience and stoicism to hold in bad times is never easy.
 
Not sure I understand OP’s question? Specifically the comment/question/statement “these are the best ETF’s”? What exactly is your goal and/or how do you define “best”? If you’re after return performance, use portfolio visualizer and knock yourself out (e.g. TQQQ). SCHD pays great dividends but it’s return performance isn’t near as good as VOO or QQQ.
 
I always recommend "Your Money and Your Brain" by Jason Zweig.
 
I am new to this site and just retired a few months ago. I have done a lot of research on ETFs and the are the ones I found to be the best:
XLK
SCHG
VGT
SCHD.....for dividend only
FSELX......a semi conductor mutual fund because I can't find any ETF semi conductor fund as good as this.

What are your thoughts?
Determine your desired asset allocation and risk level.

Then buy VTI (the US market), or mix SCHG and SCHD.

Also, read a few books on investing.
 
I am new to this site and just retired a few months ago. I have done a lot of research on ETFs and the are the ones I found to be the best:
XLK
SCHG
VGT
SCHD.....for dividend only
FSELX......a semi conductor mutual fund because I can't find any ETF semi conductor fund as good as this.

What are your thoughts?

Hi. Welcome to the site.

As you've seen in the above posts, folks around here (myself included) tend to start with a more structured view of their finances and financial plan. Most here (though definitely not all) have a strong Asset Allocation (AA) discipline and a strong belief that relying on broad, diversified indexes is the best way to build wealth. As noted above, there is ample research to support this but there are certainly other approaches in play.

Two suggestions ...

1 - Introduce yourself and share some of the above if you're willing. If you don't have a financial plan or know what an AA or index is, no problem. Lots of people arrive at the site when they are sorting this stuff out and get great advice here.

2 - There is a forum explicitly devoted to Active Investing. This is where you will see more discussions about approaches/ideas that are not linked to indexing.

I'm squarely on the side of a long term AA and index investing (tho for fun I do play a bit on the side). And I am always learning on this site.

Enjoy.
 
... SCHD pays great dividends but it’s return performance isn’t near as good as VOO or QQQ.

It all depends on what you are looking for. QQQ isn't a fair comparison... apples vs oranges.

SCHD compares reasonably well to VOO. 11.77% vs 12.84% total return since Jan 2012, but 13.75% vs 14.29% Std dev so less volatile. Importantly, best year is similar but worst year is less than 1/2 of VOO (7.47% vs 18.9%).

A reasonable tradeoff if one wants good return with lower volatility.
 
I am new to this site and just retired a few months ago. I have done a lot of research on ETFs and the are the ones I found to be the best:
XLK
SCHG
VGT
SCHD.....for dividend only
FSELX......a semi conductor mutual fund because I can't find any ETF semi conductor fund as good as this.

What are your thoughts?

The best at what? Are you comparing all of them over a certain time period ?

You seem to be focused on Semiconductors.....is that the field you retired from ? Use your knowledge, invest in what you know.

I would suggest that you put most of your money into a broad-based ETF that covers the wide market, like SPY or VTI. And then dabble around the edges with one of your Semiconductor Funds. Don't put your entire stash into one basket.

Also, add SMH to your Semi research List.
 
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... I'm squarely on the side of a long term AA and index investing (tho for fun I do play a bit on the side). ...
:LOL: Malkiel is ready for you!

" ... The indexing strategy is the one I recommend most highly. At least the core of every portfolio ought to be indexed. I recognize, however, that telling most investors that there is no hope of beating the averages is like telling a six year old that there is no Santa Claus. It takes the zing out of life.

For those of you incurably smitten with the speculation bug, who insist on picking individual stocks in an attempt to beat the market ... The odds are really stacked against you, but you may get lucky and win big. ... Never forget that past records are far from reliable guides to future performance. ..."
 
VTSAX (VIG) is by far and away my biggest fund holding. I do have some VTIAX (VXUS) the international for diversification (which is hard to get excited about considering its "past performance".



I play with some additional funds for diversification. As far as stock picking - I can drive a company straight into bankruptcy. :facepalm:


Barring a few shares here and there, and a bit of Wellington, my bonds are now primarily in individual treasuries. (Sold off early in the rate hiking cycle due to a certain member's (cough cough PB4uski) repeated postings complete with explanations and mathematical calculations as to the effect of rising interest rates on those particular funds. :blush:
 
:LOL: Malkiel is ready for you!

" ... The indexing strategy is the one I recommend most highly. At least the core of every portfolio ought to be indexed. I recognize, however, that telling most investors that there is no hope of beating the averages is like telling a six year old that there is no Santa Claus. It takes the zing out of life.

For those of you incurably smitten with the speculation bug, who insist on picking individual stocks in an attempt to beat the market ... The odds are really stacked against you, but you may get lucky and win big. ... Never forget that past records are far from reliable guides to future performance. ..."

I also like to play blackjack and craps on occassion!

Though I had a friend who worked at a casino and told me "Never bet on anything that spins." I have adhered to this wisdom ever since! :LOL:
 
ETF's

Finally I got a few good responses to the "best ETF's"

Obviously we are speaking here about ETF's we have in the "equity portion" of our portfolio. For most that is that 40-60% of a retiree's portfolio. The rest being in safe money type of investments.

I have made it my mission to seek the best performing ETF's by category and I came up with the ones I listed in my original post of this thread. Those I listed I have equal percentages in each.

I use the free fundvisualizer.com to compare and analyze.

I would love to get opinions from you all based on facts 'not because I like it'.

yes to the one reply about QQQM......great ETF......glad you are in that fund rather than the QQQ. What a rip to those investors that are in QQQ when they came out with the exact same fund in QQQM only reduced the expense ratio but didn't tell it's QQQ customers. How dirty is that?
And to the post about the vanguard international fund......great choice and low cost........the only reason I don't is because I am more familiar with USA investing in ETF's.
Hope to hear from others on their thoughts on any ETF's.......lets put them to the test with fundvisualizer.com and lets compare then to all the others in their category to see which ones are the best........I am up for the challenge.
 
VTSAX (VIG) is by far and away my biggest fund holding. I do have some VTIAX (VXUS) the international for diversification (which is hard to get excited about considering its "past performance"....

Actually, VTSAX is the same as VTI in ETFland...
 
yes portfolio visualizer is good and I have used that all the time until I found fundvisualizer.com
It is so much quicker and easier to use and the graphics so much better and is also free.

both serve the same purpose.

So what ETF's to you have and why?

Share with us.
 
Actually, VTSAX is the same as VTI in ETFland...


Yes. That's why I put it in the parenthesis. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I do have both. In my taxable I have ETFs only. In my IRAS I have mainly mutual funds, as I have had them for quite a while - but, also have a bit of the corresponding ETFs which are easier if I am in the mood for a limit order or if I just want to see what it is doing at a particular moment in time.
 
... I have made it my mission to seek the best performing ETF's by category and I came up with the ones I listed in my original post of this thread. Those I listed I have equal percentages in each. ...
@Rjhasti, you sound a little frustrated in this post. I think I know the reason: You are looking in the rear view mirror to find funds that have performed well in the past. There seems to be an implicit belief in your posts: That past performance predicts future performance. It does not. Anyone who understands this will show little interest in the funds you talk about as "best." Best in the past, yes. Best in the future, not likely.

... I would love to get opinions from you all based on facts 'not because I like it' ...
OK. Standard & Poors tracks thousands of funds and publishes a couple of highly factual reports that pertain here:

The semiannual SPIVA report compares the performance of actively managed funds to their benchmark indexes. The results are always the same, though the percentages bounce around a little bit: Over 90% of actively managed funds underperform over a 10 year investing period. Performance is quite random over one year, trending steadily downward in subsequent years. You can understand this by reading the Ellis and Malkiel books I recommended.

Closer to your specific interest, S&P publishes the Manager Persistence Report Card, also IIRC semiannualy. Persistence exists when a manager's historical performance "persists" into the future. Like the SPIVA report, the results here are always pretty much the same. There is no persistence over longer periods and apparent short-term persistence appears to be very random. Here is a chart I use in my Adult-Ed investment class:

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On the left you see managers' ranked performance over a five year period. This is what you are doing, with S&P further concentrating on the top quintile/20% and showing these managers' performance in the next five years. The results are pretty dismal, not even as good as random. These results are typical of the Persistence reports; there is nothing special about these periods.

... lets put them to the test with fundvisualizer.com and lets compare then to all the others in their category to see which ones are the best........I am up for the challenge.
I don't think you'll get many takers on this because most will probably see it, like me, as a waste of time. The experiment might be interesting to traders and speculators, but not to investors.

Here is a modification of your proposal that doesn't even require a computer: Take your set of funds and invest in each, recording the size of the investment. Wait ten years. See which have produced the best total return. (Be careful here; total return includes dividends. It is not just the value of the stock position at the end.)
 
Old Shooter........I see you post on varies YouTubes I have seen.
Well done.............so share with us what your portfolio looks like......
 
what other ETF's or Mutual Funds do you have?
If you're asking me, 95% of our equity tranche is in VTWAX, which is basically every stock in the world.

I see you post on varies YouTubes I have seen.
I have no idea what you're saying here. I have nothing on YouTube.
 
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right you are ...........VTWAX is pretty much every stock there is.
That is one version of being diverse for sure.

95% is a lot..................are your retired yet?

Let me guess........you are retired but don't need to draw on your nest egg for retirement income:confused::confused:
 
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