brewer12345
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Huge volume in both today. I suspect that someone has decided to arbitrage these in size.
FinanceDude said:Why does OSM look better to me than ISM?? Must be a mirage......... :
brewer12345 said:Wordplay reasons? Commun-ISM, rastafarian-ISM, etc.?
FinanceDude said:You must have a preference??
soupcxan said:I just heard this story on NPR. SLM is up 12% at the moment, so I guess someone thinks that a buyout is possible. Or maybe it's just the merger arbitrage computers going wild. ISM and OSM are both off a bit.
wab said:Brewer, what's the deal on JSM? Is that likely to be called?
brewer12345 said:Not the major concern with that security, though, since it is currently trading at a ~10% discount to par.
wab said:That's why I would love for it to be called. (If I were to buy it.) Ignoring the default risk, how do you calculate YTM/YTC on something that can be called away at any time? Must get pretty volatile after the initial call date.
wab said:Must get pretty volatile after the initial call date.
FIRE'd@51 said:No more volatile than before the call date, probably less volatile if rates have declined from its initial coupon rate. If rates have gone down, the bond will trade right around par (the market will assume it will be called). If rates have risen the bond will trade at a discount (the market will assume it won't be called).
FIRE'd@51 said:If rates have gone down, the bond will trade right around par (the market will assume it will be called). If rates have risen the bond will trade at a discount (the market will assume it won't be called).
clifp said:I am trying to understand why the spread between OSM and ISM is so large currently (1 hour before market close) OSM is 21.32B 21.33A
and ISM is at 20.89B and 20.99A. ISM pay an extra $.0125 year interest payment but mature 9 months later than OSM, without whipping out my calculator I thought the YTM on both issue should be very close.
wab said:That's why I assumed it would be volatile. It'll trade some days like a 35-year bond and other days like a 1-year bond with the market always trying to predict the potential call date.
brewer12345 said:I note that the prices of both are rising as the market starts to figure out what I thought
wab said:ISM is back down again. The market hasn't figured anything out. The volume indicates it's just a few retail traders like us.
brewer12345 said:Heh, and now the bid is back up, in size.
brewer12345 said:We'll see. I still cannot see how his would work as an LBO. That's one of the reasons I bought the bonds in the first place.