Well for 454, you have it all wrong, as a liberal, there was no wild wild west, when the constitution and the bill of rights was written. the east was settled.
the cities were bustling, and the reasons for gun owner ship was to keep the power of government in check. to keep it with "the people"
No good can come from gun owner ship? Well I say no good can come from the first amendment, freedom of religion is of no good today, our founding fathers did not consive of all the Moslem,Buddhist, and other non Christian religions, so I say take it out of the bill of rights, religion is just a crutch for the weak minded. and televangelists that take old peoples money so they will have to eat cat food so Bennie hinn can have the live of riley.
and freedom of the press. the founding fathers never conceived of the internet, TV. radio. and we now have a nice big central government to tell us what is going on.
Oh ya you liberals don't like the central government. oh well I say shut down the internet. and TV news, and radio, both concretive,and al Franken, You libs would probably like the latter as the liberal radio shows are on the verge of bankruptcy, they just don't draw the audience that the rush , hanity, and other shows do.
So I am with you get rid of the first and second amendments. give me my 40w light bulb, bike, and seeds to start my herb garden, and I will join a commune, and we can all talk to the animals. because no good can come from , guns, internet,radio,TV, cutting trees,eating animals,wearing animal products,OOP's I will have to throw out my 40w light bulb,, no power plants. they make nasty enviro waste, and we cant have that. just give me the bike, wait, there will be no reason to go any where, nothing to buy. I surly don't need any ammo for the guns I don't have.
I can just hoe my herb garden.
you liberals are all the same. you talk out both sides of your mouths, just like Ted Kennedy, Jane Fonda,Rosie odonald, and many others, they want to take the guns out of our hands, but they have body guards with Uzi's to protect them. another case of the left that knows what is good for the little people. That my friends is why the left is loosing, and has been since the revolution of 94. You just cant see that you have lost the white house, sen, and HR, the majority of gov's, and many state cong. you just don't get it, even when you loose, you go farther to the left.
even your gu ru Billie "I like to do nasty things with my cigars" Clinton, understood that he needed to at least play like a centrist to win.
but the Howard deans "yeeeeahhh" still are taking the party leftward ho.
I say fine, and you will keep loosing, even with the propaganda, and out right lies of F 9/11 from mikei mooron, and the liberal press, giving bush a bad wrap at every turn, you could not pull it off, instead you sit by and talk about, if we could have just go 40k more voters in Ohio, if if if. if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.
you live in if.
You attack so may fronts you make hitler look like a pin point front.
The logic you people use is amazing to me, police are the only protection we need, well in the liberal cities, a pizza will arrive faster than a cop when someone is raping or stabbing you or your kids, I wonder if you will think a colt under the pillow is a bad idea when that happens?
I frequent a local coffee shop that is mostly a liberal hang out, one of the old hippie, love peace we don't need an army, if every one just loved oneanother girls.
She was going to live in her vw bug [as we speak] and go around the beaches of fla. for a couple of months.
I was joking around and told her that she needed a gun to take with her, and did she want me to lend her one?
She said she did not believe in self defense,and if someone wanted to rape her well rape away.
Typical liberal crap. and how do you argue with that kind of mentality? you don't, you just vote against it.
The liberals are killing this country, they are the ones involved in the aclu, and sewing property owners for not having water available to the illegals that cross our southern boarders, they went to court with the Nazi's in Chicago to get them the right to march in Skokie ill. a mostly Jewish community. aclu? a bunch of hippie nut jobs that are mad because the 60s "we are going to change the world" fell flat on its face, Look at George carlin, he used to be all about this we can change the world, now he just rants on about how we as humans are going to all die, and good ridens to us. we screwed up the planet, blablablablbabla. he is loosing his audience. every one I talk to is sick of his "no hope fu@k hope" attitude. Well when you are a anti white, industry,chemical, liberal, you will always loose.
I will venture to say that most of us here would not be if it were not for "industry, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, ect.
and how many times have you conservatives talked to a liberal "we need to take care of the earther" and they get in there SUV and drive off to buy a new DVD player so they can watch the home movies that they took with the new Sony cam, of the last vacation they took in which they flew to canon? Hypocrites.