Landline Phones

…..The FCC has big fines for spamming cell phones. More than land lines. I guess it has to do with the cost per minute thing. Legitimate marketers respect that.

However, spammers don't care. And I'm not sure the FCC is fining anyone anymore. Seems that the honeymoon is over and it is spam away.....

Big fines for spamming cell phones? That's news to me and all the junk callers and a few junk texters who call and text me far more often on my cell than on my land line. On the cell phone, I just lift the receiver a half inch and let it close, terminating the call without burning any pay-per-minute phone time and sparing me from having to listen to the phone ringing. The texts I have to allow in (and pay for) because I can't identify the sender beforehand, and many are from a single payday loan outfit I have called several times to get them to cut it out. Many of the calls come from neighbor spoofed numbers, with lots of others unique numbers, so they are likely spoofed, too. Reporting them would be useless. My cell is a low-end flip-phone which lacks any ability to block anything.
 
This is true. As the phone companies built out their fiber, a lot of neighborhoods have the POTs terminated and multiplexed to the fiber instead of going all the way back to the CO.

We've had a few bad power outages, most recently last fall for 3 days due to hurricane Florence. AT&T has been pretty darn good about it. Whatever battery they have is very robust and lasts a good 12 hours. I don't know how they coordinate with the power company, but they knew we were going to be out a while and hooked up a gas powered generator to the complex to keep service going. Of course in a massive power outage, there won't be enough of these to go around.


The FCC has big fines for spamming cell phones. More than land lines. I guess it has to do with the cost per minute thing. Legitimate marketers respect that.

However, spammers don't care. And I'm not sure the FCC is fining anyone anymore. Seems that the honeymoon is over and it is spam away.

Today was my first day of getting the Social Security scam people have talked about here. 6 calls from 4 different numbers. I am not happy.



I get all kinds of crazy calls on my cell, including SS Scam. I bought the premium Robokiller app and it has helped a lot.
 
Let me clarify.

There are fines, but the spammers can't be found so they are never paid.

Originally (10+ years ago), because of the fines, marketing companies were good about not spamming cell phones.

But this has all broken down with most of the spammers untraceable, and the semi-legitimate spammers claiming a "relationship" to you that is reminiscent of the 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon. Companies can call you if you have a relationship. They stretch the definition.


I can't read this article, but I think the title says it all:
The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208 Million. It's Collected $6,790.
 
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We got rid of the POTS at home a long time ago and went to just cell phones. Cell service in our home is spotty, but Republic Wireless wifi calling works decent.

Now here's the odd part - just bought an OBi200 from Amazon an installed in the home (voilà, landline back). Kept our old POTS home phones - and surprisingly, the batteries (newest is dtd 2009, which were pulled out when stored) charged up like new ones and phones are working. It's linked to Google Voice (free service), and OBi200 is direct wired to router to modem (calls are like POTS clear). Dial out numbers just like POTS, and stable clear conversation. Even the Republic wireless wifi calling at home doesn't always deliver that call quality..
 
We got rid of the POTS at home a long time ago and went to just cell phones. Cell service in our home is spotty, but Republic Wireless wifi calling works decent.

Now here's the odd part - just bought an OBi200 from Amazon an installed in the home (voilà, landline back). Kept our old POTS home phones - and surprisingly, the batteries (newest is dtd 2009, which were pulled out when stored) charged up like new ones and phones are working. It's linked to Google Voice (free service), and OBi200 is direct wired to router to modem (calls are like POTS clear). Dial out numbers just like POTS, and stable clear conversation. Even the Republic wireless wifi calling at home doesn't always deliver that call quality..
I've been using this since 2013 and agree that the call quality is amazing. I make far more calls on the Obi than I do on my cellphone and the fact that all the phones in the house ring make it so much more convenient. My total investment has been the purchase of 2 Obi's for about $75. I had to upgrade when Google Voice stopped supporting the 100 series Obi. My cordless phones are ancient to but I was just checking out new batteries an EBAY recently and can get them for as little as $2 each. What a deal...
 
We got rid of our landline about 10 years ago, because the cost was excessive (about $35/month). Switched to VOIP and finally switched to cell/phone adapter for which we pay $10/month for our home phones.
 
Only have/use cell phones at our main home in southern Arizona. At our "summer home" up in the U.P. of Michigan we have a landline------'cause otherwise, we'd have to get in the car and drive about 8 miles down the highway four our cell phones to be able to connect with a tower.
 
Only have/use cell phones at our main home in southern Arizona. At our "summer home" up in the U.P. of Michigan we have a landline------'cause otherwise, we'd have to get in the car and drive about 8 miles down the highway four our cell phones to be able to connect with a tower.
You may want to consider getting a cellular booster to reach the cell tower. The nearest tower to my house is 10+ miles away. Without a booster, conditions had to be perfect to make a connection and that was pretty rare. We got a booster and now can always connect, no dropped calls and good voice quality (well good for a cell phone) We even get 12 to 15 meg data throughput if we want to use it to access the Internet. YMMV....
 
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I have a landline. Good old copper. It has been really difficult to keep as Verizon lies about copper service and tries to replace it with an internet service, which is then tied to your local power.

For emergency purposes, I prefer a 2nd line with a more persistent power source, and that is why I keep it.
 
I reluctantly keep my old-style landline phone service because I live in a rural mountainous area that

  • has poor cell service due to the terrain (on a good day it's fine, but on a bad day I get no service at all and it's a challenge to make or receive a call or text)
  • has no broadband cable provider for TV or wired internet (those who want traditional TV use satellite)
  • has slow DSL through the phone company as the only wired internet option
VOIP over slow DSL is sketchy, so the only way I can have reliable phone service for emergencies is the traditional old-style landline.

But I live in a beautiful area surrounded by mountains and trees, with daily visits by amazing wildlife. I don't much care that I'm stuck with a landline phone.
 
We still maintain our landline. Neither of us has a smart phone or plans to get one. We have pay-by-th/e minute flip phones: no contracts. We have yet to feel a /need to add an expensive smart phone, although some things in life seem to require one lately. I use a tablet. My husband still likes to get the daily paper and it costs a fortune, but we like the crosswords. His kids are grown and I have none. We move through life without distraction. The one time I felt an urgent need to contact people (9/11/01) the circuits were jammed and I could not get a call to go through. I'm not impressed with cell phones in general. Sometimes I order Chinese food on my way home from somewhere. I have had several near misses with drivers engrossed with their phones. I'll keep my land line and my attention span as long as I can.
 
Landline

For jeanie and me, it's a health concern. After watching our kids, and the people in the mall and the stores, we are dreadfully worried about the crooked elbow syndrome. :(

... or brain cancer. Have you noticed it is on the rise:confused:?
 
I get all kinds of crazy calls on my cell, including SS Scam. I bought the premium Robokiller app and it has helped a lot.

until congress acts (LMAO...what am i thinking!?)...i put the NoMoRoBo app on my cell. $2 p/m is well worth the near total absence of spam calls on my cell. NoMoRoBo is included with our Comcast VOIP line. silence IS golden.
 
I'm sorry but I don't think a phone line that runs through a computer is actually a landline. To me, a landline is a phone that is plugged directly into the wall and hopefully has a cord so it doesn't run on electricity and will work in an emergency.

We pay almost $50 a month for the stupid thing but since we live in earthquake country, we have decided it is money well spent. When the big one happens and our phone is the only one that works because the power is out and cell phone towers are down, I joke that we will more than make up for the cost by charging people to use our phone since we will be one of the only houses for blocks with a phone that works!
 
assuming the telco central office survives along with the poles holding the wires. nothing is guaranteed but i get your point.
 
we gave up our AT&T copper line ($100+ p/m) .

Wow! You were really getting ripped!

In Wheaton you can get copper service from ATT for about $20 p/m. That's what I have just down the road from ya. It used to be cheaper but the folks in Springfield let them off the hook from their commitment to provide a bare bones copper line service from prior days. What options did you have to drive the service up to over $100? An attendant stood by the phone and answered it for you and made excuses if you didn't want to talk to someone? ;)
 
I ONLY have a LL. Do not see a need to have a cell phone yet. When I am @ a restraint and see 4 folks @ a table that are all looking @ their cells, I just smile and shake my head.

How does you only having a LL help with the issue of others focusing on their smart phones while seated in a restaurant? Doesn't make sense. I think they'd be doing it even if you did have a cell phone in your pocket.
 
Wow! You were really getting ripped!

In Wheaton you can get copper service from ATT for about $20 p/m. That's what I have just down the road from ya. It used to be cheaper but the folks in Springfield let them off the hook from their commitment to provide a bare bones copper line service from prior days. What options did you have to drive the service up to over $100? An attendant stood by the phone and answered it for you and made excuses if you didn't want to talk to someone? ;)
In the north shore area my neighbor was paying >$125 per month to AT&T. Basic service only included calls in a 5 mile radius. Her husband was in a nursing home 12 miles away, all the calls were charged long distance rates, and they refused to offer her any kind of calling plan, saying it was against state law. When I spoke with them, they said the same to me. I helped her get a cell phone and service from Consumer Cellular, then cancel AT&T.
 
In the north shore area my neighbor was paying >$125 per month to AT&T. Basic service only included calls in a 5 mile radius. Her husband was in a nursing home 12 miles away, all the calls were charged long distance rates, and they refused to offer her any kind of calling plan, saying it was against state law. When I spoke with them, they said the same to me. I helped her get a cell phone and service from Consumer Cellular, then cancel AT&T.

Wow again...... No doubt, if you need to make a bunch of outgoing calls, especially long distance or inter-region, choosing a LL over a cell phone could be a big mistake. OTOH, retaining a LL on a low cost plan as a supplement to your cell phone might be OK.

DW just retrieved our latest ATT landline bill for me. (Yep, still get paper bills via snailmail! ;))

We have "Call Plan 30" which is $13.50 p/m plus a lovely "federal access charge" of $7.29 is added to that for a total of $20.79.

Then it gets confusing. There are some other taxes and fees which aren't specifically attached to either the phone bill portion or the copper line DSL portion (which together comprise my total ATT bill). I've assumed these charges would be there if I dropped the LL and had only the DSL. But who knows for sure? (This is, after all, Illinois: Land of the Mystery Fee.)

Billed for DuPage County 1.50
State Infrastructure Maintenance Fee 0.12
State Additional Charges 0.02
Federal Universal Service Fee 1.77
IL Universal Service Fee 0.25
IL Telecom Relay Svc and Eqp 0.02
Cost Assessment Charge 0.49
Total Surcharges and Other Fees 4.17

My favorite is the "Cost Assessment Fee" where they charge me half a buck p/m to figure out how much they're going to charge me....... ! :LOL:

I understand your neighbor's plight since these lower cost plans are very restricted in the outgoing calls you're allowed and they get pricey if you exceed the plan. We don't make outgoing calls on the LL. We use our cell phones. And, of course, in this world of email and texts, don't use very many cell minutes.

We keep the LL because:

1. It served as a back-up to DW's cell phone while DW's DM was in the NH.

2. It's handy to have a number to give folks such as vendors, delivery people and other commercial interests so they don't have our cell numbers.

3. 911

4. Power outages or other possible disruptions to cell service.

5. I've been too lazy and scatter-brained to get around to getting it canceled.


As mentioned, we don't make outgoing calls on the LL and, in fact, never pick it up unless on very rare occasion the person leaving the message on the answering machine is someone we actually want to talk to real time. It's mostly a place for people we don't want to bother with real time to leave messages.

You're a good man for helping your neighbor figure things out! Are you familiar with a not-for-profit in Illinois called Citizens Utility Board (CUB)? They help in these kind of situations and I donate to them annually.
 
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I am using OOMA machine bought from Amazon during Prime Day (cost $63). I ported my AT&T uverse home phone number (cost $47 by OOMA), and pay $5+ some change for tax each month to OOMA.

I entered friends+family+Doctor's offices into OOMA as contacts and blocked all other numbers. OOMA actually send blocked calls to voicemail. Anyone who wishes to leave a voicemail, they can. But telemarketers normally don't so we do not even hear the ring for those.

Savings each month from AT&T? $15. I guess better than nothing.
 
I still have my landline for several reasons, all of which have been mentioned here so I won't bore you with repeating them. But the primary reason is that I am a certified disaster service worker and it is required that we each have a landline in case of power outages, cell tower outages, etc. I do really prefer the tonal quality of my landline, too. My landline, all in, runs about $20 a month so not a big deal.
 
How does you only having a LL help with the issue of others focusing on their smart phones while seated in a restaurant? Doesn't make sense. I think they'd be doing it even if you did have a cell phone in your pocket.


I think you missed his point. He's saying he sees no need for a cell phone. That he is happy he doesn't have the distraction of a cell phone and he can relate and converse with the companions that are with him rather than reading his updates. His main point was that without a cell phone, he is present in his real life. At least that was what I got from his statement.
 
No landline for years, 12 if I recall right. Hardly use my cell for calls either. Basically all communication is via:

Messenger for chat and calls
Telegram for chat
Wechat for both
Textnow for texting, voip calls to USA (I live in Vietnam)
Skype as backup for calling overseas (only service that isn't free)
Email for letters, sending attachments
Google voice for authentication texts

As long as I can get online all the above work perfectly! I pay $3 USD a month for 4G service and internet is free everywhere. Very efficient and cost effective here.
 

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