BigMoneyJim
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
I'm a passive long-term buy-and-hold index investor, but while casting about for shelter-at-home hobbies to occupy myself I'm thinking of doing a little speculative short term trading.
But only as a diversion. The "$2,500 to $250,000" thread title I keep seeing here has me thinking $2500 would be enough to entertain, occupy, and educate me without changing my "real" and wholly boring investment strategy. (And it would be cheaper and less frustrating than some of my other hobby ideas.)
I'll be doing this inside an IRA so I don't have to keep track of all the gains and losses for taxes.
So the first thing I run into when looking into the pitfalls of day trading is the "pattern day trader" rules, and they're really confusing me. I'm not sure they apply to me at all, but I want to be sure I don't inadvertently freeze my account or lose the ability to redeem some index ETFs to top up my cash as I'm starting to draw on the IRA for early retirement.
I don't think the rules apply to what I want to do, because I'm pretty sure I don't have margin accounts, I'll be trading with a very small portion of my assets, and I'll have many times the settled cash in my trading account as any of my day trades at all times because that's where I'm keeping my cash for now.
So, if I'm making a few trades in a few days inside an IRA in one of the big brokerages, in a cash account, always having settled cash far in excess of the day trades, will I trigger any restrictions or other differences? Or otherwise make the automated self-service broker grumpy?
But only as a diversion. The "$2,500 to $250,000" thread title I keep seeing here has me thinking $2500 would be enough to entertain, occupy, and educate me without changing my "real" and wholly boring investment strategy. (And it would be cheaper and less frustrating than some of my other hobby ideas.)
I'll be doing this inside an IRA so I don't have to keep track of all the gains and losses for taxes.
So the first thing I run into when looking into the pitfalls of day trading is the "pattern day trader" rules, and they're really confusing me. I'm not sure they apply to me at all, but I want to be sure I don't inadvertently freeze my account or lose the ability to redeem some index ETFs to top up my cash as I'm starting to draw on the IRA for early retirement.
I don't think the rules apply to what I want to do, because I'm pretty sure I don't have margin accounts, I'll be trading with a very small portion of my assets, and I'll have many times the settled cash in my trading account as any of my day trades at all times because that's where I'm keeping my cash for now.
So, if I'm making a few trades in a few days inside an IRA in one of the big brokerages, in a cash account, always having settled cash far in excess of the day trades, will I trigger any restrictions or other differences? Or otherwise make the automated self-service broker grumpy?