Poll- Delay SS vs. Purchase an Annuity

[ETFs_Rule]

thinking of buying a SPIA inside my Roth IRA. Is this a reasonable approach to provide a continuing stream of tax exempt income?

Do you mean "tax deferred"? Eventually an annuity is taxed at the ordinary income rate. Normal investments (outside of retirement accounts) are taxed at a lower rate. It's not what you make, but rather what you get to keep after Uncle Sam takes his cut.

 

[samclem]

Do you mean "tax deferred"? Eventually an annuity is taxed at the ordinary income rate.

No, not in the case that is being considered. If the SPIA is set up within a Roth IRA (and funded according to the Roth IRA rules) then all payments from the SPIA will be tax free. Gotta meet all the regular Roth rules (5 year wait for tax free interest/growth, etc). And, using a Roth for an annuity does give up the ability (inherent in other Roth IRA methods) to pass along this tax-free income to children, but for some people this is not an issue.

 

[misanman]

Aren't Roth Earnings Tax Free

Do you mean "tax deferred"? Eventually an annuity is taxed at the ordinary income rate.

I meant "tax free". My understanding was that the earnings from a Roth were never taxed. If this isn't true for the proceeds from a SPIA (inside the Roth) then it would obviously be a very bad option.

 

[Brooks Saddle]

To an earlier post about using a SPIA inside a Roth, I see it differently. Like many I may purchase a SPIA at age 75 and up and if I do I will do so with after tax money. When one buys an annuity this way, there is a tax benefit due to the structure of the payments which are made from interest earnings, survivorship credits and return of principal. The return of the principal is not taxed. I don't want to shelter income if it isn't going to be taxed anyway.

So if part of my annuity income isn't taxed I wouldn't use a Roth. Instead I would use the Roth for the rest of investments where the tax savings would be more advantageous.

 

[samclem]

Here's a short WSJ article on having an annuity inside of a Roth IRA.

Like Independent, I'd probably only buy an annuity if I were heading into Otar's danger zone: getting older, assets falling, and looking like I might not have enough to generate a monthly income to have a satisfactory quality of life. At that point I'd be in a fairly low tax bracket, so the whole "Roth or after-tax" question for funding it becomes only a minor issue.

 

[pb4uski]

I meant "tax free". My understanding was that the earnings from a Roth were never taxed. If this isn't true for the proceeds from a SPIA (inside the Roth) then it would obviously be a very bad option.

You are correct. The annuity payments would be tax free because the are being distributed from the Roth (assumes the Roth account funds and owns the SPIA).

If a tIRA bought the annuity then the annuity payments would be 100% taxable (assumes deductible tIRA). If a taxable account bought the annuity then the annuity payments would be part income and part return of principal.

 

[jIMOh]

What if a person takes SS at 62 and 70? Claim and suspend type options.

 

[jollystomper]

We will take SS earlier than 70 (currently considering age 63), as that plus my pension will likely be enough to cover our projected expenses, and give us more flexibility with our savings/investments. No need for an annuity due to my pension.

 

[Hermit]

I will take SS at 70, but I am currently taking SS under my wife's account. No on annuities. I have a pension.

 

[Kimo]

Annuities are crap financial products. So easy to do better with a conservative portfolio of stock / bond based ETF's. There's so many commission hungry annuity salesmen out there saying good things about them that people start believing that they're "an important part of a portfolio". Nonfiduciary "advisers" typically earn between 5 and 10% when selling annuities. With index annuities and SPIA's the insurance company compensates for that commission by reducing what they pay you. All annuities are also a tax nightmare. With SPIA's and other annuities that have an "income phase" you cannot get out of the contract for life. Kiss your principal goodbye if you ever need it.

Sorry, this is only applicable if you buy from an insurance company. I pay no salesperson. There is no tax because I am withdrawing from my account. I can get all my balance back within 5 days of purchase. My payments keep going up as does my balance.

Aloha!