9/11/07

1)I display a flag everyday, I even have a light so I can display it at night.

2)I have gone to church forever, and the kids come along......

3)I have voted in every election since 1984.........:)

4)I AM NOT A CAR! :D

5)BTW,I'm not picking on farmers, my wife grew up on a farm, and my grandparents both were farmers........:D

Pretty much the same here! With only a couple of very minor exceptions:

1) Our flag comes in at night...no light on it....YET!

2) I don't have kiddos, but I've done the church thing since one week after my birth. (I was born the previous Sunday afternoon...so I missed church that day :D )

3) For me, voted every election since 1975....locals, state, nationals, school boards, church board, referendums, union.....EVERY election! (Absentee ballot a couple of times, due to vacation plans)

4) Me either! (Though if I sat in a tree, I think I could justifiably be called a 'nut' :uglystupid:

5) Not a farmer, but I have worked on my friend's farm during harvests.
 
Flag Waving

I have been ashamed of what our country is doing in Iraq since Bush started this damn mess. "Support the Troops," "Homeland Security," "9/11, 9/11,9/11,..." terrorists, islamofacists, the enemy, WMDs, "Mission Accomplished," patriots, traitors, it all makes me sick.

I will display the flag again when I can once again be proud of what we are doing as a nation. I am a Vet, my uncle was a downed pilot, POW during WWII, but I am ashamed for the behavior of our county. Its president, its congress, its press, its courts, and its voters have all behaved shamefully.
Whatever our founding fathers had in mind, this is not it.
 
I'm not a vet and my uncle survived Pearl Harbor rather than a POW but otherwise, Ditto, Elderdude.
 
I have been ashamed of what our country is doing in Iraq since Bush started this damn mess. "Support the Troops," "Homeland Security," "9/11, 9/11,9/11,..." terrorists, islamofacists, the enemy, WMDs, "Mission Accomplished," patriots, traitors, it all makes me sick.

I will display the flag again when I can once again be proud of what we are doing as a nation. I am a Vet, my uncle was a downed pilot, POW during WWII, but I am ashamed for the behavior of our county. Its president, its congress, its press, its courts, and its voters have all behaved shamefully.
Whatever our founding fathers had in mind, this is not it.

Sorry you feel that way........:( You think the response by the govt to 9/11 was fake? I agree that a LOT of bad decisions have been made, but you are saying we did a lot of bad things RIGHT after 9/11? I don't understand that......:confused:
 
I was doing some research for a hobby project that I'm working on, and came across a quote that I know I've heard before but it had slipped into the deep abyss of my demented mind.

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain -

And having said that, I do tend to agree pretty much with Elderdude:
I have been ashamed of what our country is doing in Iraq since Bush started this damn mess.........I am ashamed for the behavior of our country. Its president, its congress, its press, its courts, and its voters have all behaved shamefully.

Whatever our founding fathers had in mind, this is not it.

I'll cut the voters of our land a little slack though, because unfortunately, they've (we've)made their (our) choices after listening to "....Its president, its congress, its press, its courts..." I think the voters have pretty much had the deck unscrupulously stacked against them by the afore mentioned band of idiots!!! :uglystupid:

It sure would be a wonderful thing to be able to get this great country of ours back to what our founders did have in mind!!!
 
I agree with you, Goonie but have a slight quibble about the voters. I pay attention to left-wing news sources and was shocked by PNAC and didn't vote as the Prez, congress, courts or major media would lead one.
 
I pay attention to left-wing news sources and was shocked by and didn't vote as the Prez, congress, courts or major media would lead one.

Me either.....I don't tend to follow the masses. I'm a fairly independent thinker, and follow my own views and opinions FAR more than that of [-]IDIOTS[/-] politicians and/or media. In fact I apply my own twisted version of the "Miranda Rights" to both politicians and the media....but ESPECIALLY politicians. I hold that "anything they say can and will be used against them in [-]a court of law[/-] a voting booth!

Some of our [-]moronic[/-] revered local politicians [-]have their heads stuck in their @$$es[/-] don't quite have a clear concept of reality. During the last election I went to vote, not necessarily FOR candidates, but rather AGAINST certain [-]boneheads[/-] individuals. ;)
 
It sure would be a wonderful thing to be able to get this great country of ours back to what our founders did have in mind!!!

What our Founders had in mind was that States would be run by State govt not FEDERAL control, we are run exactly the opposite way for many reasons, some of which Franklin, Hancock, and others could not have imagined in 1776..........;)
 
There has been a lot of interesting discussion on this topic, and fortunately it hasn't got as nasty as I thought it would when I first started reading. What I get out of this is that if it makes you feel good to fly the flag, then do so. If not, then don't. I think people on both sides of this issue are entitled to their opinion. For this reason, however, I must take exception to the original post as stated:

On Tuesday, September 11th, 2007, an American flag should be displayed outside every home, apartment, office, and store in the United States. Every individual should m ake it their duty to display an American flag on this anniversary of our country's worst tragedy.

To this I say a resounding baloney!!!

Fly it if you wish, don't if you don't. But stop passing out duties and obligations please.

I don't fly flags, Canadian or American (I am a dual citizen). Although this is not the case for me, it is against some people's religious principles. So making it a duty would actually violate the bill of rights, as well as freedom of expression (it has to be part of that freedom NOT to express). I remember back in 1969 during an anti-Vietnam march when a group of protesters lowered the US flag and raised a Viet Cong flag. A group of businessmen jumped in and a fistfight ensued. The guy I was with looked at me and said in an ironic tone "look at that--fighting over symbols." Frankly, I was not sympathetic to either group involved in the scuffle. Those who lowered the US flag did a disservice to the message the rest of us were trying to put across, and if the businessmen thought they were "defending the honour" of old glory, then they were even sillier. I can understand fighting for safety, for food, for freedom, but not for an abstraction. That's just me.

I respect any body's right to fly a flag. Personally, I agree with the poster who stated that nationalism is not necessarily a positive force and revving it up is not necessarily good for the world at large. I understand being proud to be American, but my mother always taught me not to brag. Few of us deserve any credit for being American anyway--for most of us it just happened.

As for flying it to support veterans, I can understand that sentiment. But to imply that all veterans who fought did so to "preserve our freedom" is pretty naive (although certainly many did). More often in recent history troops are used just to be "thugs for capitalism" as General Smedley Butler put it. I don't consider Vietnam or Iraq to be defenses of freedom. I consider them to be national shames. What is shameful, however, is the policy, not the soldiers who did their country's bidding. The blame lies with all of us, for allowing our government to lie to us and prosecute such a destructive foreign policy.

So, bottom line, like I said. Fly the flag with pride if that's what turns your crank. But allow those of us who do not wish to our freedom of expression as well.
 
How symbolic is this.
 

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Unfortunately, I view most people that display the flag with as much skepticism with those that feel a need to preach their religion.

If waving/displaying a flag makes you a patriot, and going to church(or quoting the bible) makes you a good Christian, then standing in a driveway makes you a car.

I wonder how many of those "patriots" even bother to vote in elections.

:D

i proudly wear my "i voted" sticker, which usually has some flaginess to it...but no flag waving going on here.

Too often i have been confronted with zealots who wave the flag in my face because they think it is "their" country and not others...(usually people who don't look like them, an anti-immigrant rally, etc.) so unfortunately, i have some negative associations with the flag.

my country of origin is also fiercely nationalistic because it has been attacked many times in history so i get it - the desire to show pride and stand for your country.

but also have seen where it goes overboard ie germany or japan to name a few.

anyhow, funny thing is things always seem to come full circle when you have kids and as my daughter learns the pledge of allegiance, or asks about why people fly the flag (or when can we get one), my answers are often more simple, "because people are proud of their country"...as long as nobody is waving in her face to tell her to "get out of here" i'm good w/ that explanation...
 
Sorry you feel that way........:( You think the response by the govt to 9/11 was fake? I agree that a LOT of bad decisions have been made, but you are saying we did a lot of bad things RIGHT after 9/11? I don't understand that......:confused:

I think that the actions of this president in attacking Iraq, along with the ill-advised consent of authority given to him by congress, were inappropriate, done in frustration, and have continued to deteriorate because of our "leader's" stubborn ignorance of history.

Yes, there are people who wish to do us harm for a variety of reasons that no one in this administration wishes to acknowledge. You can not fix what you do not understand. This cowboy in the White House continues to be all hat and no cattle.
 
We fly a flag. Pretty much all the time. Believe it or not, it is not my idea. I am as patriotic as anybody. Probably more than most... I served our military (as a volunteer). Still we fly a flag and yet it is not me that purchases them (although, DW insists that I install them).


You see DW's parents were immigrants. Her father basically left Germany just ahead of WW2 with his parents. They had to live under Hitler for a while. Her grandfather installed a flag poll out in the front yard and flew the flag almost all the time. His son, (DW's father) joined the service during WW2 and reentered service during the Korean conflict. They were absolutely grateful and proud to be Americans.

Her grandfather's outward sign of gratitude for the country that provided shelter from tyranny has rubbed off on her. I gotta tell ya... I kinda like it. :)
 
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