Noted. Thank you.I suspect that 95% of the world would find this discussion absurd. The US really is an outlier on this topic.
Noted. Thank you.I suspect that 95% of the world would find this discussion absurd. The US really is an outlier on this topic.
Robert Heinlein's line always made sense to me:
"An armed society is a polite society."
I have the permit but don't carry.
Most important aspect of safety is situational awareness. Simple things like don't letting your gas tank go to less than 1/4 tank so you can choose where you fill up. Moving your head around and looking aware of your surroundings.
I have a Glock 26 that is a great gun but is a commitment to carry. Take a look at the Ruger LCP if you want to carry.
The US really is an outlier on this topic.
If I leave it in the car, I probably run a greater risk of it being stolen (my car has been broke into twice this past year while being downtown)than I do of needing it.
The recent shooting in Tucson is a good example. Lots of scuttlebutt about "if the people were armed, someone could have stopped the shooter". Possibly. Or, someone could have returned fire and killed another innocent bystander, or could have become the shooter's next target themselves, or could have been shot by a LEO...
Changes! During hunting season we all took our guns to school and put them in the janitor's closet, after going early morning squirel hunting. When I was in college I routinely carried my shotgun in its softcase onto and off of commercial airplanes. Attendents just put it in with the coats. At school, I had to keep it at the campus police, but I could check it out any time.On a lighter note reading these posts reminded me of something I forgot about. Back in the mid 1990's when I was new to teaching PE in a rural southwest mo school, I was approached at school by state wildlife conservation officers who said in the past they had taught gun safety classes there and wanted to know if I wanted them to come. They taught gun safety for a week, then for a week the students and I shot up boxes and boxes of clay pigeons all on school property with the conservation departments shotguns (under the conservation officers supervision of course with parent permission slips). Back then I really didn't think anything of it, and the kids were really interested in learning and shooting. But today, I imagine most people think it would be insane having 12-14 year olds knocking off rounds on school property!
Uh, Heinlein's character wasn't saying that an armed society was non-violent --- just polite. After all, Heinlein was depicting a future society in which dueling was approved and fairly common. I suppose you could say that shooting someone is rather rude, but it's an odd way of speaking.I think it is far more accurate to say an unarmed society is a polite society, at least for developed countries. Look at the rate of violence ...
I'm not here to start a gun argument, but I do always find this argument interesting. If somebody is intent on doing you harm, chances are pretty good that calling 911 isn't going to help you. As my sister the cop tells me "if somebody wants to kill you, chances are we will get there in time to draw the chalk lines"
As far as the shoot in Tucson, most people that I know who carry don't do it to protect the general public. They don't carry to replace the police, or carry out vigilante justice, just to protect themselves and their family. For them the gun is a last resort when the first choice is getting the hell away.
As I said, nothing good will happen when there is a gun involved.
Hey, wouldn't giving that up that take a lot of the fun out of life? What is democracy for, anyway?Then by all means, don't carry one. But don't try to impose your views on responsible, law-abiding citizens who feel differently.
I suspect that 95% of the world would find this discussion absurd. The US really is an outlier on this topic.
Then by all means, don't carry one. But don't try to impose your views on responsible, law-abiding citizens who feel differently.
REW: Be kind enough to tell this ignoramus what does "Porky" -in this/similar context- mean. It´s not the first time this expression comes up in different threads....
We meet all three criteria...except our piece of land isn't especially big...and there is no way I'd keep a pistol under the mattress, that's why they designed nightstands...and one of our two large noisy dogs died last month. But other than that, we're in complete agreement.... if we lived out in the boonies on a big piece of land maybe we'd keep a firearm under the mattress. And probably shoot ourselves when we changed the sheets. Hmmm, maybe a couple of large noisy dogs would be a better choice if we ever move to the country.
Maybe you are on to something here:
I suspect if everyone attending political rallies were armed then the discourse would be much more civil.