Was it ever a question of economics? ...
-ERD50
From the perspective of GM, it must be or the product will not be successful. The market for expensive items that don't make economic sense is somewhat limited.
Was it ever a question of economics? ...
-ERD50
Different strokes, maybe?I got the impression he just 'wanted it'. I never did figure out why.
I can afford the 2012 Chevy Volt (electric car); will pay cash for it. My daily roundtrip commute is under 40 miles so I will be within its daily charge and will potentially not need to buy gasoline ever again unless I am making long road trips, etc.
The question is should I treat myself to a new car? I understand that we are, for the most part, on this Forum, a frugal bunch, so I am asking for "approval" from fellow Forum members. I currently drive a 9 year-old Corolla with 100,000 miles on it. My job is secure. I am nearly 4 years away from ER. My mortgage will be paid off in 6 months. I have NO other debt. Everything is on track for ER. Should I splurge and buy the Chevy Volt? I have kept each vehicle that I owned over 11 years and I intend to keep the Chevy Volt even longer since it will be my ER car and will see a lot less mileage on it (When traveling, I tend to use air transportation).
True; I drive a Caddy SRX (V8 - 13-14 mpg in the city) because I want to - not because I need to.Different strokes, maybe?
If I insisted on understanding why everyone wanted stuff I had no interest in, I'd go looney -- as others might in trying to understand why I want stuff they think is silly.
Different strokes, maybe?Originally Posted by ERD50
I got the impression he just 'wanted it'. I never did figure out why.
If I insisted on understanding why everyone wanted stuff I had no interest in, I'd go looney -- as others might in trying to understand why I want stuff they think is silly.
On the face of it, it seems that we haven't made progress, in that the volt only goes 40 miles/charge.
This car went 40 miles/charge:
And this car goes 40 miles on a charge:
But consider that the volt weighs much more, goes faster, has headlights that you don't have to light with a match, is many times safer, can be driven in the winter, can go hundreds of miles using its generator, etc., and you have to admit there's been a lot of progress.
From the perspective of GM, it must be or the product will not be successful. The market for expensive items that don't make economic sense is somewhat limited.
It's not only the cruising range of electrics that is problematic in terms of "mainstreaming" EVs -- it's also the time it takes to "refuel". Until you can recharge nearly as fast as you can refill your gas tank, there's another concern.Until you have an AFFORDABLE electric car that can go 250-300 miles between charges, I'm not interested.
I would wait for a hydrogen fuel cell car. Current electric vehicles run on coal.
Electricity from Coal
Steam reforming is currently the least expensive method of producing hydrogen and accounts for about 95% of the hydrogen produced in the United States. This method is used in industries to separate hydrogen atoms from carbon atoms in methane (CH4). But the steam reforming process results in greenhouse gas emissions that are linked with global warming.
*Ahem.* They run on photovoltaic solar power too... we already have two neighbors on our street who recharge their Nissan Leafs ("Leaves"?) from their arrays.I would wait for a hydrogen fuel cell car. Current electric vehicles run on coal.
The elegant-looking machine is manufactured in Finland by Fisker Automotive of Anaheim, Calif. For a mere $95,900, you can get the base model. The Karma has a solar paneled roof that both recharges the car’s Lithium-Ion battery and runs the climate control system.
How about the gas mileage? Fisker claims the Karma gets 100 miles to the gallon – and if you only drive 50 miles a day, they say you would need to fill the tank just once per year.
If the Volt isn't good enough, there's always the Fisker Karma, recently purchased by Leonardo DiCaprio that gets 100 mpg: $100,000 DiCaprio car: Leonardo DiCaprio buys Fisker Karma hybrid - CSMonitor.com
As for demand, I know mine was on the lot about 16 hours until I drove off in it
I checked a few dealers around this area. A few had 1 or 2 in stock, two of 'em had 4 in stock. I'm curious, so I'll watch see how fast those stock #'s move.
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That doesn't seem to indicate any fast sales to me. I wonder if they will need to drop the price once any initial rush of EV enthusiast demand is filled? Then quietly drop it and try again if/when batteries become more cost effective than other options? We already know they aren't an environmental panacea, so what's the point?
-ERD50
Exactly (I spent three decades on the manufacturing side )...Remember that the manufacturer of the vehicles could care less about the car once it's in the dealers hands. They have been paid in full at that point so they will not drop the price. It is possible that a rebate could come up though. Once the vehicle sits on the dealers lot and they figure out that no one wants it they will take all the profit out of the deal and sell it ASAP because of floor plan costs.
Remember that the manufacturer of the vehicles could care less about the car once it's in the dealers hands. They have been paid in full at that point so they will not drop the price. ...
Remember that the customer couldn't care less (see the grammar thread for more) who paid what. All they care about is their out-of-pocket cost and the long term cost of ownership (or at least that is what they should care about, financially). If the dealer wants to move the car, they may need to drop the price.
-ERD50
As I understand it they are offering to buy back the Volt from anyone who purchased it and wishes to sell due to concerns about recent reports of battery fires after the cars were involved in accidents.Read an article a day or so ago, GM is buying back the Chevy volt.