Hold your ground. They need you. You don't need them.
......but I don't work here anymore.
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Did they pass on the offer to work at your consulting rate? It sounds like you like the other clients better anyway.
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skyking1
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They are making so easy to pull that plug. It is a big favor on their part, really.
1242Vintage
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No way would I go back as an employee, under any scenario.
I’m much happier … and better paid … as a consultant. As a consultant I get to decide what work I take on and how it gets done. And I’m OK if my client (AKA former employer) wants to go elsewhere to get their work done.
I’m much happier … and better paid … as a consultant. As a consultant I get to decide what work I take on and how it gets done. And I’m OK if my client (AKA former employer) wants to go elsewhere to get their work done.
The last message they received from me ended with, "but I don't work here anymore."
It would be easy to feel insulted by their offer, but the person who sent the message doesn't even understand what they're asking me to do. I'm not planning on responding to the latest offer from "dumpster fire" management. Presumably they'll follow up again in a week or two, and maybe I'll respond then, or not.
jimbee
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Unless you really need the money or like the work, I would say to he!! with them.
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I missed this thread... but interesting...
I will give info on my brother.... he should have retired years ago but actually enjoys what he is doing and is being paid very well for doing it...
I asked him about it and he said he was recruited more this last year than anytime in his career... he does mainframes and he said the young do not do any of this work... he works from home and goes to his client every couple of weeks..
He said the first day they say he needs to come into the office is the first day he is out of work...
I will give info on my brother.... he should have retired years ago but actually enjoys what he is doing and is being paid very well for doing it...
I asked him about it and he said he was recruited more this last year than anytime in his career... he does mainframes and he said the young do not do any of this work... he works from home and goes to his client every couple of weeks..
He said the first day they say he needs to come into the office is the first day he is out of work...
Bryan Barnfellow
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I would have replied, "Sorry, but there isn't enough space in your building for all my anger, resentment, and frustration."
-BB
While I don't work on mainframes, I'm in a similar situation in my field. There are many techniques for completing certain types of projects, and it's not surprising that younger folks use more modern techniques. However, there are reasons to apply more traditional techniques in certain situations. I'm in my early-50s and realized quickly that the minimum age of people experienced in those "classical" techniques was at least 20 years older than me.
So, I quickly became a specialist in those more traditional methods. Even a few years ago, I had more projects than I could ever take on. Now, it's a matter of picking and choosing. At this point, I typically only take on projects for organizations I've consulted for previously, since it cuts my time commitment on projects by almost half, but the offers keep coming and they keep getting bigger.
audreyh1
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Sounds like you need to train a few more folks so that you can retire.
freedomatlast
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I agree. Don't respond. It took my MegaCorp from June to November to finally get desperate enough to agree to the obscene contract to which I finally said, yes.
Silence is louder than words in most cases.
And BTD is so much fun when you hardly have to work to earn it.
Silence is louder than words in most cases.
And BTD is so much fun when you hardly have to work to earn it.
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Closet_Gamer
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Sounds like the company better get busy training a few more people because they will need to fill a gap soon!
Update: True to form, "dumpster fire" management (DFM) followed up early last week asking for a timeline on a response. I responded to them last Friday by attaching a proposal from my consulting company with an itemization of the project requirements and deliverables along with the costs.
That was Friday afternoon and they responded by email just after lunch today. Apparently, now it's DFM that's offended by my offer.
Not sure what more there is for me to say to DFM, but I'll probably still wait another day or two before making it clear my offer is, "take it or leave it."
Also, DFM did hire someone to fill that gap, except that person spent the past several years fulfilling the romantic needs of her boss.
CardsFan
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Well, it's time to fish or cut bait. I recommend the latter.
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OP is handling this just fine. I'm enjoying the ongoing story.
CRLLS
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DW was w*rking for a small company in accounting. When she decided to retire, she gave plenty of notice. Enough for them to train someone else or find her replacement. They did not, and she retired. A few months later, they called and asked if she would come in for year-end closing. She decided to give them an offer at, I think a fair hourly fee for a short term, independent contractor with no benefits. She was still friends with a w*rk buddy. She found out that the boss had gone thru the roof at her offer and said to her buddy, "Well I guess she won't be getting a good reference from me", to which her buddy responded, "She doesn't need one, She's retired!"
Update: True to form, "dumpster fire" management (DFM) followed up early last week asking for a timeline on a response. I responded to them last Friday by attaching a proposal from my consulting company with an itemization of the project requirements and deliverables along with the costs.
That was Friday afternoon and they responded by email just after lunch today. Apparently, now it's DFM that's offended by my offer.
Not sure what more there is for me to say to DFM, but I'll probably still wait another day or two before making it clear my offer is, "take it or leave it."
Also, DFM did hire someone to fill that gap, except that person spent the past several years fulfilling the romantic needs of her boss.
Dumpster Fire sounds like a good description. What kind of idiotic management writes to tell someone their price is too high? They've just told you they don't have anyone else proposing on the work - if they did, they wouldn't bother to berate you, they would just award to the other provider. It sounds like a specialist niche and presumably other providers in the market place aren't going to give it away either.
The winner in a negotiation is the one with the best alternative if there is no deal. You have a great alternative - stay retired!
Keep the updates coming!
USGrant1962
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^^^
Ha, BATNA. Haven't heard that one in a long time.
Ha, BATNA. Haven't heard that one in a long time.
I recall that a few months after I FIRE'd in 2015, the company I worked for prior to retirement asked me if I would be interested in assisting on a company project on a part-time basis. I responded to the HR e-mail as follows: "When hell freezes over."
Never heard from them again.
Never heard from them again.
HarveyS
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I wouldn't say take it or leave it.
If I were to do anything, I would communicate that my offer was valid until 5pm local time on (pick a date in the very near future, maybe this Friday).
Then sit back and think about how much to increase your next bid when they inevitably miss your deadline. Perhaps not increasing the bid, but making terms more favorable to you. For example, pay 50% up front, etc. They will say that rules prevent this type of thing. "I understand. You'll need to make an exception I suppose". In my experience, Megacorps can do whatever they want, when they want to.
Update: True to form, "dumpster fire" management (DFM) followed up early last week asking for a timeline on a response. I responded to them last Friday by attaching a proposal from my consulting company with an itemization of the project requirements and deliverables along with the costs.
That was Friday afternoon and they responded by email just after lunch today. Apparently, now it's DFM that's offended by my offer.
So no counter offer just complaints? I like the idea of giving them a deadline for accepting your last offer.
Just tell them to pound sand (or whatever equivalent you likeUpdate:
That was Friday afternoon and they responded by email just after lunch today. Apparently, now it's DFM that's offended by my offer.
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audreyh1
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I’m very busy so sorry I won’t be able to accommodate you.
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I would ask AI to compose a detailed response to DFM. Include business costs, payment delays, and so on.
Make it friendly. You never know where the next opportunity will come from. Someone other than DFM may read your response.
Make it friendly. You never know where the next opportunity will come from. Someone other than DFM may read your response.
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