Preferred Stock Investing-The Good , The Bad and The In Between 2015 - 2020

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Thanks. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing anything. Sold this morning at $10.11 and looking at potential replacements. In retrospect I probably should have waited until I identified a replacement to sell but a bird in the hand...

.... As for second question, Ken had suggested IPLDP earlier.

Yup. Already own IPLDP. Got in at $24.13 in Feb 2019
 
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My SPLP-A shares went though (the 196 lot) , so that is great !

Mine did, too. That took some time, but worked out nicely. Now, do we hold the rest, or take the $2 cap gain that we have.
 
Mine did, too. That took some time, but worked out nicely. Now, do we hold the rest, or take the $2 cap gain that we have.

I sold off the rest today $22.67, bought originally at $20.20 and $21.65. Happy with the return over the last year and a half.
 
Dear Friends,

One of my mistakes was MDLQ. I'm cleaning up my porfolio a bit. Do I keep that one, now yielding 9.7% or so? Or bite the bullet and take the loss?
 
I'm still holding it's sister MDLX. I bought it as a part of my income portfolio, even though, I don't use it for income directly. Yeah, I'm down $2.00/ share over 200 shares, so what the hey? Or is it hay?
 
Dear Friends,

One of my mistakes was MDLQ. I'm cleaning up my porfolio a bit. Do I keep that one, now yielding 9.7% or so? Or bite the bullet and take the loss?

My recent snafu is way worse. I've held GLOP for a little while at an average price of around $15. Last week they announced an upcoming dividend cut and it's trading around $5 right now. :facepalm:
 
My recent snafu is way worse. I've held GLOP for a little while at an average price of around $15. Last week they announced an upcoming dividend cut and it's trading around $5 right now. :facepalm:
What's the "unusual expense" that tanked their Q4 earnings? Something looks really strange as even their investor presentation didn't mention what that was. Even stranger was they continued to pay out large dividend for Q4 and then cut it considerably.
 
What's the "unusual expense" that tanked their Q4 earnings? Something looks really strange as even their investor presentation didn't mention what that was. Even stranger was they continued to pay out large dividend for Q4 and then cut it considerably.

From the conference call, "Lastly, as of December 31, we recognized a noncash impairment charge of approximately $139 million related to our five steamships built in 2006 and 2007, primarily as a result of lower expected utilization and earnings estimates for these vessels."
 
From the conference call, "Lastly, as of December 31, we recognized a noncash impairment charge of approximately $139 million related to our five steamships built in 2006 and 2007, primarily as a result of lower expected utilization and earnings estimates for these vessels."

Thanks. Seems interesting to me to just have a BTW comment for $139 million hit to earnings and not called out anywhere in the presentation. And like that wasn't known earlier as they were giving guidance? Sounds like a company I'd steer clear of.
 
My recent snafu is way worse. I've held GLOP for a little while at an average price of around $15. Last week they announced an upcoming dividend cut and it's trading around $5 right now. :facepalm:

I had GLOPC for a while, but sold it at breakeven after collecting divs for 18 months or so.
 
84% of my Wells Fargo 6% preferred Series T (WFCPRT or WFC-T) is being called. :mad:

Odd thing is it looks like I'll get $25 plus another quarterly divvie of 38c for Dec 16 to Mar 16... but it was trading on Friday at $25.56-$25.69.... how is that?

Why would anyone bid more than $25.38 knowing that it will be called in a month?

Am I missing something or are investors really that stupid?
 
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84% of my Wells Fargo 6% preferred Series T (WFCPRT or WFC-T) is being called. :mad:

Odd thing is it looks like I'll get $25 plus another quarterly divvie of 38c for Dec 16 to Mar 16... but it was trading on Friday at $25.56-$25.69.... how is that?

Why would anyone bid more than $25.38 knowing that it will be called in a month?

Am I missing something or are investors really that stupid?

I have series L, also convertible and I have no call notice. They are trading now for close to the conversion price equivalent which I assume kind of acts as a hard upper limit for their value. Current yield at current price is 4.86%. At the price I paid I get more like 7% on cost.

Don't understand all the nuances of pref investing....maybe you can educate me this afternoon.
 
84% of my Wells Fargo 6% preferred Series T (WFCPRT or WFC-T) is being called. :mad:

Odd thing is it looks like I'll get $25 plus another quarterly divvie of 38c for Dec 16 to Mar 16... but it was trading on Friday at $25.56-$25.69.... how is that?

Why would anyone bid more than $25.38 knowing that it will be called in a month?

Am I missing something or are investors really that stupid?

Looking to get the wisdom of the group on a problem that I am having with Fidelity regarding this partial call.

This is my first partial call. I have had full calls in the past and in some cases the market price was close enough to what I would receive if I waited for the call that I sold the issue and reinvested the proceeds rather than waiting for the call.

Sometime after the announcement on February 14, Fidelity bifurcated my 500 share position into an 80 share lot and a 420 share lot. I sold the 80 share lot this morning for $25.68 (more than the $25.36 that I would receive on Mar 16) and when I went to sell the 420 share lot it would not let me do so, so I called Fidelity.

Fidelity says that this is how all partial calls work, that Wells effectively called 420 of my 500 shares and they are frozen until the call date. I respond that the effective date of the call is March 16, so any holders of this ticker on March 16 knows that 84% of their shares will be called, but that I don't see how Wells and Fidelity can lock up my shares before the call date based solely on the announcement of the call. Does this make sense to any of you? For any holders of WFCPRT or WFC-T with brokers other than Fidelity, are you also prevented from selling 84% of your shares held as of February 14?

February 12, 2020 -- Wells Fargo & Company today announced that on March 16, 2020, it will redeem 26,720 shares of its Non-Cumulative Perpetual Class A Preferred Stock, Series T.

I asked the Fidelity supervisor why I can sell in the event of a full call but not in the event of a partial call... in each case the market know that if they hold these shares on March 16 that a cartain percentage of them will be called for $25 plus the 37.5c divvie... so in each case marketplace participants have all the information that they need to make an informed decision on the value of the shares. The only thing he could say is that they just work differently. He said that if I sold the shares when March 16 comes along that my account would be short 420 shares.*

However, if this practice of locking up shares to be called is standard practice as Fidelity indicates, then I think I can now answer my question from the earlier.... what I was missing was that the shares now trading are only the shares that will survive the call so their valuation is based on more than just the call proceeds.

Thoughts?

P.S. Luckily, the amounts involved are not significant, in fact, arguably negligible, but I am still interested in the answer.

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*at the time I didn't think to ask what would happen if my account was 420 shares short.... depending on the consequences I might have been ok with it.
 
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Thoughts?

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*at the time I didn't think to ask what would happen if my account was 420 shares short.... depending on the consequences I might have been ok with it.

PB, the recent partial call of SPLP-A worked the same in my Schwab account. I think it's standard practice.
 
PB, the recent partial call of SPLP-A worked the same in my Schwab account. I think it's standard practice.

Yeah.... after I posted above I did a search for posts including "partial call" in this thread and after reading a bunch of them that seemed to be a common theme that shares to be called are as Mulligan put it 'impounded". I'm not sure if it makes sense because they impound the shares before the call date.... in my case a whole month... rather than lock up my money for a month, just change the call date to today and pay me the par and prorated dividend and let me go.
 
Yeah.... after I posted above I did a search for posts including "partial call" in this thread and after reading a bunch of them that seemed to be a common theme that shares to be called are as Mulligan put it 'impounded". I'm not sure if it makes sense because they impound the shares before the call date.... in my case a whole month... rather than lock up my money for a month, just change the call date to today and pay me the par and prorated dividend and let me go.



Agree, mine were locked up for nearly a month, as well.
 
I have series L, also convertible and I have no call notice. They are trading now for close to the conversion price equivalent which I assume kind of acts as a hard upper limit for their value. Current yield at current price is 4.86%. At the price I paid I get more like 7% on cost.

Don't understand all the nuances of pref investing....maybe you can educate me this afternoon.

Beach, I think the conversion price that you are looking at related to Wachovia Bank, which is no longer a thing (was bought out by Wells Fargo). The conversion price for WFC is in the $200’s I believe.

Correction, it’s a $150’s price. The following is from QuantumOnline, a wonderful resource on preferreds and other income securities:

“ After the merger of Wachovia into Wells Fargo, the preferred is now convertible into 6.3814 shares of Wells Fargo & Co. (NYSE: WFC) common stock, an initial conversion price of $156.71 (calculated) per common share. ”

So WFC-L is basically a busted preferred, and trades on its interest coupon alone. I suppose WFC COULD reach $150’s someday.....nah, I’m sure they’ll have another scandal or three in the future (disclosure: I own the stock)
 
Beach, I think the conversion price that you are looking at related to Wachovia Bank, which is no longer a thing (was bought out by Wells Fargo). The conversion price for WFC is in the $200’s I believe.



Correction, it’s a $150’s price. The following is from QuantumOnline, a wonderful resource on preferreds and other income securities:



“ After the merger of Wachovia into Wells Fargo, the preferred is now convertible into 6.3814 shares of Wells Fargo & Co. (NYSE: WFC) common stock, an initial conversion price of $156.71 (calculated) per common share. ”



So WFC-L is basically a busted preferred, and trades on its interest coupon alone. I suppose WFC COULD reach $150’s someday.....nah, I’m sure they’ll have another scandal or three in the future (disclosure: I own the stock)


Thanks!

Maybe people like me shouldn’t buy preferreds ? :). I just have a few to try to learn what I am doing.
 
WFC-L is one of my largest holdings; and being a busted convertible, it cannot be converted until WFC common shares are around $150, as Graust says.


The current price of WFC common is $47, so the stock would have to triple from here for there to be any risk of conversion. Further, the $156 price has to be maintained for 20 out of 30 consecutive trading days.


For all practical intents and purposes, I regard this issue as a perpetual which will not be converted in my lifetime.



So, any motivation for buying WFC-L at today's price should be based solely on today's yield and if one is satisfied with it. Rising rates will depress the price, obviously.


My personal opinion is that WFC-L upside is limited, but if low rates continue for a while ( like Japan ), this could be a steady and reliable investment.
 
Just received a notice from ETrade, Ladenburg Thalmann has tendered an offer for LTS-A as a result of change of control.

Re: Ladenburg Thalmann Fin’l Svc 8% Cum Cusip: 50575Q201 Please call the E*TRADE Corp Actions Team 1-800-ETRADE1 Monday-Friday 8 am-6 pm Est by cut off 03/03/2020 to submit your instruction. Opt 1: Tender Ladenburg Thalmann Financial Services Inc. 8% series a cumulative redeemable preferred stock is offering a change of control, each holder has the right of its election to redeem some or all of the shares of series a preferred stock. The liquidation preference to be received by each holder is cash in the amount of $25.0389 per share of series a preferred stock, which will include the accrued and unpaid dividends thereon to, but not including the change of control conversion date. Stock tendered must be in minimum denominations of $1.00 and integral multiples of $1.00 in excess thereof. Holders should obtain the notice of change of control dated 02/14/20 for complete terms and conditions of the offer. Response after cut off is best effort.
 
That put was a life saver for the preferred. Any shares not tendered will drop price wise as the put has propped them up. Been pretty nice being preferreds past few days. Only minor minor losses. Still have more than what I had end of January...At least today as tomorrow will be nasty too looks like. Did a lot of portfolio moving the past couple weeks. Loaded up huge on IPLDP between 25.37-45 past couple weeks (went exD today). EP-C had a huge dump 2 days ago and suddenly its my second biggest position behind IPLDP as I bought with blended $49.73 ave and it goes exD in 2 weeks.
Took advantage of STAG-C sell off yesterday and bought a decent amount at 25.72 ave. Probably should have bought more. Bought some others too but safe is the mode now. Biggest 3 issues I have now are IPLDP, EP-C, CNIGO/CNIGP
 
I'm getting my shopping list ready. PFF and PGX have been selling off which means that many of their holdings will be sold in the coming days. I sold my preferred stocks last April and am sitting on a lot of cash in money market funds (27% cash/MM). So far there is nothing worth buying. Many of the higher yielding investment grade preferred stocks are still trading above par for now and many will be called later this year.
 
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