A feminist visits Saudi Arabia

Thanks for this. Friday afternoon our company strongly suggested many of us consider some long term contracts in Saudi Arabia as a way to stay busy during this economic cycle. Your report pretty much confirms what I have heard elsewhere, and I will NOT be going to Saudi Arabia.
 
Mead, as the one who first asked you to post about your experiences on the trip, I am extremely appreciative of your post and descriptive narrative.
At the end of the day, though, I agree with you--I find the culture very interesting, but I could not live there.
 
At the end of the day, though, I agree with you--I find the culture very interesting, but I could not live there.

Didn't you say you usually dress all in black?
If so, it shouldn't be that difficult of a transition.
 
Me, dress in black? That must be someone else. I am a fan of brown and other "earthy colors". I do have 5 dogs whose predominant shedding color is black, so maybe I should start....
;)

The "not goth" Sarah
 
Agree,very interesting. How about a photo?

Ha

This is the only one you're going to get: me trying on a niqab in the souk. Obviously the storekeeper is not a Saudi or he would not have touched me like that. Wearing a niqab, even for 5 minutes, made me feel very anonymous and depersonalized.
 
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This is the only one you're going to get: me trying on a niqab in the souk. Obviously the storekeeper is not a Saudi or he would not have touched me like that. Wearing a niqab, even for 5 minutes, made me feel very anonymous and depersonalized.
Formidable, Madame.

Ha
 
Does the Abaya have to be all black? Did you cover your hair?

How do women get to work? Are they driven? Bused? How do women end up on a professional track? Are they unmarried? Or do married women work too?

(Sorry for the third degree. :))

Well, I can see Martha is captivated!

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Abayas can be any color, but in Saudi Arabia (to quote Henry Ford) you can have any color, so long as it's black. They can be very pretty with lots of embroidery and decorations. The operating specs are: black, covers ankles, sleeves cover wrists. Abayas come with a shayla, which is a rectangular scarf, often georgette, with trim matching the abaya. This is meant to be draped in any number of ways that satisfy hijab (covering hair which is required for Muslim women) but can be draped anyway you want if you are not Muslim. I wore mine around my neck except when meeting with people who might expect more, in which case I covered my head but made no attempt to cover all my hair....similar to Laura Bush on her visit to KSA to promote breast cancer awareness.

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Below would be a typical hospital scene:



Getting to work: if you are an expat living in a compound, there will be a bus to your place of work. Otherwise you have a personal driver, or you get your close male relative to drive you.

There are professional schools in education and health specifically for women (no co-eds here!) Once they graduate, doctors, nurses, pharmacists, etc, have to work alongside men. Some female doctors from other Middle Eastern countries have admitted to me that the opportunity to meet men and work as equals with them is a big attraction to medical school. There is equal pay for equal work and no obvious obstacle to married women working.
 
Several years ago, the new next door neighbors were a just retired Army officer and his wife and 2 kids. He accepted a position as a contractor working directly for the KSA and went over by himself. Wife and 2 kids followed and lived there for about 1 year. I remember her stories of feeling like a bird in a gilded cage.

I can totally understand that feeling. Somewhat akin to being transported back to Victorian times and forced into a corset and bustle, and being expected to be "dainty".

I suspect that in 100 years it will be very different.
 
Interesting post :cool:, but the fact that there's NO BEER:( means I'll never go there:nonono:
 
No need for a cough or sneeze mask if a lady is coming down with the sniffles....

My recollection is that the writer of "Not Without My Daughter" found that some wearers didn't wash their niqab often enough.
 
I must say the niqab gives those ladies with extra sexy eyes an unfair advantage.
 
That blog mentions something that has been overlooked so far. The "Committee for the Preservation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice" censors websites. So you may have limited access to your favorite blogs, news sites, and other sites you frequent. Another mark in the "con" column.
 
There is an excellent blog by an American woman who recently moved to KSA with her Saudi husband of many years.

susie's big adventure

Nice.

"About an hour before we left the house, I told my husband that there was a possibility that both of the other women we would be visiting with that evening may not have their hair covered. If that was the case, I went on, I would prefer not to be the only woman there with my hair covered. Well, basically my hubby told me that if I wanted to uncover my hair there, that he would not be going with us."
 
A plus size woman in that area of the world is a positive.

Actually, I was refferingn to that thread about losing weight by ogling women's breasts. (I still can't make the search function work.) Anyway, another failed attempt at humor on my part, I am afraid.
 
Nice.

"About an hour before we left the house, I told my husband that there was a possibility that both of the other women we would be visiting with that evening may not have their hair covered. If that was the case, I went on, I would prefer not to be the only woman there with my hair covered. Well, basically my hubby told me that if I wanted to uncover my hair there, that he would not be going with us."

I noticed that too. Wow. Different culture for sure.
 
Let's just say that, culturally speaking, a husband like the one in the blog quoted by Eridanus would get a cast iron frying pan to the head in my neck of the woods.
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Clarification: Just because I would have a hard time were my husband to tell me he wasn't going somewhere with me if I didn't have my head covered, even though others would also not have their heads covered!
 
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Let's just say that, culturally speaking, a husband like the one in that blog would get a cast iron frying pan to the head in my neck of the woods.
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Along with lots of other run of the mill husbands. At least if South Carolina is anything like Kentucky. :)

Ha
 
In Jeddah, Western women do not have to cover their hair in public. The Abaya is the only requirement.

FYI, I hear Saudi Arabia is the largest consumer of Johnny Walker. A very interesting place, but again some people love it and some people hate it. If you are American you can definitely make a boat load of cash in Saudi and tax free.

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