Marijuana in Retirement

[golfnut]

I am a total oddball....I agree with everything you say....With a slight addition... If any of those things lead to loss of my freedoms such as my right of property or safety, the offending culprit should meet the Singapore cane, stockade, or rope from a tree depending on severity. I would be unelectable as a presidential candidate. ....Too socially libertarian, and too right wing on criminal justice.


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+1 yous (southside chi-town slang ) pretty much nailed it. How come no politician even comes close to saying this? Actually there is no reason to answer this. Cause we know the answer why.

 

[NW-Bound]

I am a total oddball....I agree with everything you say....With a slight addition... If any of those things lead to loss of my freedoms such as my right of property or safety, the offending culprit should meet the Singapore cane, stockade, or rope from a tree depending on severity. I would be unelectable as a presidential candidate. ....Too socially libertarian, and too right wing on criminal justice.

+1

And if substance abuse by a person, whether drugs or alcohol or anything else, causes impairment to his own health or wealth, I do not want to be forced to chip in to help such person out.

 

[Mulligan]

+1 yous (southside chi-town slang ) pretty much nailed it. How come no politician even comes close to saying this? Actually there is no reason to answer this. Cause we know the answer why.

Well we got three since NW has joined forces. Maybe there are a few more in the weeds. Trouble is we are all retired and dont have the energy to run. Now if we could only get some kind of sane Ron Paul like/ Dirty Harry combo ticket.


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[stepford]

Gee, you guys really must want to close this thread down, huh?

 

[MichaelB]

Almost there. Was hoping We will be careful MichaelB. But I think the discussion of MMJ vs the prescription drugs used to address the same conditions is very much on topic in this discussion.[/QUOTE]"]this post would get the thread back on track.

But I think the discussion of MMJ vs the prescription drugs used to address the same conditions is very much on topic in this discussion.

 

[harley]

I've found it quite interesting that the changeover from smoking (tobacco) to vaping has also allowed pot smokers to peep out from the basements too. I see people vaping everywhere outdoors, and always wonder what is in the vaporizer. There's no easy way to tell since the smell is totally different. I'm not a huge fan of vaping, since I like the taste and feel of burnt leaves in my lungs better. But I'll probably get one this winter to allow me to enjoy a buzz while kayaking or hiking or whatever when I feel like it, until FL comes to it's senses and legalizes.

If I was a heavy user I'd probably switch just for the health reasons, since vaping is incredibly less damaging than smoking. But I've got so many other things that will probably kill me eventually that I don't think a couple of hits every few days will be the one that takes me down.

 

[mickeyd]

I am still struggling with the concept that tobacco use (smoke or chew) is not acceptable, yet it's legal. Pot, on the other hand, is getting more and more acceptable (especially in CO and OR) yet it's illegal.

 

[Nodak]

I am a total oddball....I agree with everything you say....With a slight addition... If any of those things lead to loss of my freedoms such as my right of property or safety, the offending culprit should meet the Singapore cane, stockade, or rope from a tree depending on severity. I would be unelectable as a presidential candidate. ....Too socially libertarian, and too right wing on criminal justice.


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I'll go along with this.

 

[Beststash]

I am still struggling with the concept that tobacco use (smoke or chew) is not acceptable, yet it's legal. Pot, on the other hand, is getting more and more acceptable (especially in CO and OR) yet it's illegal.

For the past 35 years "pot" has been considered a taboo subject in polite social circles (similar to religion and politics). Almost everyone in the baby boomer generation indulged yet there still seems to be a guilt complex about it?

Ask and it will be given to you!

Peace

 

[HFWR]

+1

And if substance abuse by a person, whether drugs or alcohol or anything else, causes impairment to his own health or wealth, I do not want to be forced to chip in to help such person out.

Does this also mean that physical ailments are the person's "fault", and that they don't deserve help? Is addiction a disease, or a personal failing? How do we discern the lazy from the diseased?

 

[mpeirce]

Almost everyone in the baby boomer generation indulged...

I think your stats are similar to someone saying "I can’t believe Nixon won. I don't know anyone who voted for him."

from article In U.S., 38% Have Tried Marijuana, Little Changed Since '80s

 

[Mulligan]

Personally, I tried it probably a half dozen times or so in the 80s. The first time was great. We just laughed non stop for several hours. But by the third time or so all it made me want to do was pound Oreo cookies into my stomach even past the point of my stomach exploding and then fall asleep. I was skinny then. At my age now, the last thing I need now is an excuse to eat Oreos again.


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[donheff]

+1

And if substance abuse by a person, whether drugs or alcohol or anything else, causes impairment to his own health or wealth, I do not want to be forced to chip in to help such person out.

I am OK with the libertarian push to let people screw themselves up (with drugs, alcohol, tobacco) and suffer the consequences. I much prefer that to prohibition. But I wouldn't take the the hands off approach too far. I still support investment in rehab services and universal health insurance for people who abuse themselves. If not, surely we would have to let smokers and the obese go down the tubes with no support as well. A lot of things we do impact society and a lot of things impact whether we succumb to these kinds of problems. There but for the grace of God go I is a cliche for a reason.

 

[HFWR]

I am OK with the libertarian push to let people screw themselves up (with drugs, alcohol, tobacco) and suffer the consequences. I much prefer that to prohibition. But I wouldn't take the the hands off approach too far. I still support investment in rehab services and universal health insurance for people who abuse themselves. If not, surely we would have to let smokers and the obese go down the tubes with no support as well. A lot of things we do impact society and a lot of things impact whether we succumb to these kinds of problems. There but for the grace of God go I is a cliche for a reason.

I suppose addiction will exist, no matter what we do. So, as has been said, "Pay me now, or pay me later"...

But, back on topic, illness and/or pain management is a tricky subject, and, not totally without good reasons, we are hesitant to prescribe certain substances, and that likely causes some to not receive the "best" care available. And mental health/illness still has many what-ifs regarding what constitutes "normal" or "ill"...

I'm not sure that pot is one of those substances that requires paranoia-like scrutiny, at least in adults.

 

[Senator]

But, back on topic, illness and/or pain management is a tricky subject, and, not totally without good reasons, we are hesitant to prescribe certain substances, and that likely causes some to not receive the "best" care available. And mental health/illness still has many what-ifs regarding what constitutes "normal" or "ill"...

In Minnesota we have Medical marijuana. It can only be prescribed for certain ailments. We do not allow smoking. Only pills and oils.

The Dr. that prescribes it cannot be affiliated with the pharmacy.

It is a true medical marijuana policy. Unfortunately, other states that have MM have done it with the intent of making anyone who wants a prescription able to get it, for any reason.

I have a medical marijuana facility that shares a lot line with my property.

 

[harley]

In Minnesota we have Medical marijuana. It can only be prescribed for certain ailments. We do not allow smoking. Only pills and oils.

The Dr. that prescribes it cannot be affiliated with the pharmacy.

It is a true medical marijuana policy. Unfortunately, other states that have MM have done it with the intent of making anyone who wants a prescription able to get it, for any reason.

I believe MJ has medical uses. However, I also believe a lot of MM policy is a precursor to legalization. No problem there, it's the same process the gov't used to get the seatbelt laws passed. "oooh, we promise we'll only give tickets when you've been pulled over for something else". It's a tried and true method. Nibble away at the obstacles until you get where you want to be.

My biggest problem with legal pot use in retirement is that IMO most older people drive too slow already. If they catch a buzz before driving, they'll probably never even get out of first gear. Maybe that's why people are working so hard on self driving cars.

 

[MRG]

Personally, I tried it probably a half dozen times or so in the 80s. The first time was great. We just laughed non stop for several hours. But by the third time or so all it made me want to do was pound Oreo cookies into my stomach even past the point of my stomach exploding and then fall asleep. I was skinny then. At my age now, the last thing I need now is an excuse to eat Oreos again.

Oreos are great, but butterscotch crumpets rule. There were times when I was young an entire box of these would disappear as a snack. I wonder how many calories that is?

http://www.amazon.com/PACKS-Tastykake-Butterscotch-Krimpets-Tastycakes/dp/B000Z8RZ3M

 

[Mulligan]

Oreos are great, but butterscotch crumpets rule. There were times when I was young an entire box of these would disappear as a snack. I wonder how many calories that is?

http://www.amazon.com/PACKS-Tastykake-Butterscotch-Krimpets-Tastycakes/dp/B000Z8RZ3M

According to a reviewer they are 220 per package or 1320 in a box... When I was 21 I could eat a box of those without weed inducement. And not gain a pound either... I think I would gain 3 pounds now if I just smelled them. They do look tasty though.


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[MRG]

According to a reviewer they are 220 per package or 1320 in a box... When I was 21 I could eat a box of those without weed inducement. And not gain a pound either... I think I would gain 3 pounds now if I just smelled them. They do look tasty though.

I've been eating around 1800 calories daily for 6 months with very limited refined carbs. I'm not sure what would happen if I inhaled a box right now, I'm not going to try. I never gained weight at that age either, of course I did physical w*rk then. Now I agree I'm 3 pounds away from my goal of dropping 50 pounds and the last few are not dropping fast like at first.

 

[target2019]

Tastykake krimpets are individually smaller now. There used to be three in a package. Not the same taste.

The Tastykake pies are much better, I think.

 

[Badger]

My wife has received surgery for spinal stenosis after her leg gave way twice when she was walking up steps. She's been going to a pain management clinic through a hospital for the last 15 years. With proper medicine management and a cortisone shot from time to time, they've kept her leading a normal life. Otherwise, she'd have been an invalid with a reduced life span. Her doctor is an anesthesiologist with a fellowship in pain management, and they often do drug screen checks to make sure she's just taking the meds prescribed--and nothing else. Medical marijuana would be spotted in a minute and she'd be released from their care.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm glad your wife has found relief.

I also had surgery for spinal stenosis as well as crushed discs, spinal nerve damage resulting in peripheral neuropathy and limiting motor control in my right leg and foot. I went through 3 lumbar surgeries in less than a year through the same area with the last being lumbar fusion.

I have been to a few physicians that are pain management specialists. I have tried a variety of western medical pain management methods as well as a few eastern practices including acupunture, TCM, etc. I have also received cortisone injections. Not only has nothing worked some of the serious documented side effects of cortisone are additional nerve damage, osteonecrosis, osteoporosis, and destruction of cartilage with repeated use. I have run out of options except to take the legal opioid drugs that work for a limited time, require repeated doses, yet have extremely serious side effects, make my brain "fuzzy" and bring on mild hallucinations. The oxycodone and their cousins have serious side effects including physical dependence unlike marijuana. But I don't have the option to consult with a knowledgeable MM provider that could help me select the appropriate strain that could help me. Just buying off the street in a state where it is illegal you have no idea whether it has been contaminated or even has the correct proportion of cannabinoids suitable for my particular needs. What so many opponents don't seem to grasp is that tens of thousands of people with similar conditions are not interested in a THC high. They want relief. Just think of the worst pain you have experienced and try to imagine it 24/7 for years. Knowing someone with that problem is nothing like having the experience yourself.

Cheers!

 

[donheff]

In Minnesota we have Medical marijuana. It can only be prescribed for certain ailments. We do not allow smoking. Only pills and oils.

The Dr. that prescribes it cannot be affiliated with the pharmacy.

It is a true medical marijuana policy. Unfortunately, other states that have MM have done it with the intent of making anyone who wants a prescription able to get it, for any reason.

I believe MJ has medical uses. However, I also believe a lot of MM policy is a precursor to legalization. No problem there, it's the same process the gov't used to get the seatbelt laws passed. "oooh, we promise we'll only give tickets when you've been pulled over for something else". It's a tried and true method. Nibble away at the obstacles until you get where you want to be.

In DC, as in CA, Dr's can prescribe MMJ for any reason. I support the more extensive approach because I believe MMJ should be treated more akin to herbal remedies and supplements than like typical prescribed medicines. Other than unusual situations like childhood epilepsy, there is no way for doctors to "prescribe" properly in terms of dose, times per day, route of administration, etc. The effects are too idiosyncratic and there is almost no solid experimental data. Everything is anecdotal. That doesn't mean there are no real benefits, just that this stuff isn't going to be useful when prescribed like BP meds. It is also not dangerous in terms of overdoses or demonstrated dose dependent dangers as is typical in many prescribed meds.

 

[HFWR]

In DC, as in CA, Dr's can prescribe MMJ for any reason. I support the more extensive approach because I believe MMJ should be treated more akin to herbal remedies and supplements than like typical prescribed medicines. Other than unusual situations like childhood epilepsy, there is no way for doctors to "prescribe" properly in terms of dose, times per day, route of administration, etc. The effects are too idiosyncratic and there is almost no solid experimental data. Everything is anecdotal. That doesn't mean there are no real benefits, just that this stuff isn't going to be useful when prescribed like BP meds. It is also not dangerous in terms of overdoses or demonstrated dose dependent dangers as is typical in many prescribed meds.

Marijuana should be legalized, perhaps using the Colorado model. This would also allow those who choose to self-medicate.

As for medical usage, I would hold that to a higher standard. We already have too much junk science.

Edited to provide a coherent thought...

 

[donheff]

Aside from thinking marijuana should be legalized, perhaps using the Colorado model. This would also allow those who choose to self-medicate.

As for medical usage, I would hold that to a higher standard. We already have too much junk science.

I agree in an abstract way. It should be legalized for recreational use and people could then use it for health reasons at will. Studies could and should be pursued to see what the real benefits and harms are. But I was/am happy to see the introduction of MMJ programs because that moved the legalization process ahead by decades. I don't think we would have seen majorities concluding that MJ harms are not sufficient to continue warranting prohibition if they hadn't seen tens of thousands of dispensary "patients" with no cataclysm.

 

[Nodak]