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Old 02-28-2020, 07:39 PM   #101
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My plan, already started, is to wear gloves whenever I leave home and to remove them before reentering the house. This will both help to protect me and, hopefully, serve as a reminder not to touch my face. Iíll carry spare gloves for changing if I leave a high risk area. I expect to use a lot of gloves and these are still available at our local Costco in boxes of 400. Hand washing is a great idea but my skin just wonít tolerate frequent washing, even with moisturizers.

I would like to see everybody wearing masks in public. Soon any of us could be infected and infecting others, even without symptoms. A mask may not protect me but it may help protect others from me. Unfortunately, there just arenít currently enough masks available to make this practical.

Iíll try to shop at off hours and distance myself from others.

If appropriate fear helps to motivate others to take protective measures then I see that as helpful. China has limited the spread of the disease with strong measures. The number of cases elsewhere in the world appears to still be growing exponentially. So far as I can tell this disease is not just another ďflu.Ē
Unfortunately masks may just give a false sense of security, or make others panic. They can help sick people prevent spread to others, but it doesn't prevent one from getting infection.

However, a mask really helps remind you not to touch your face.
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Masks are simply not available at the moment.
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Plenty of masks available on eBay--just depends on how much you are willing to pay.
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Step ford, I donít think I rely on any forum for reliable information. All the ones I belong to are just places for interesting discussions. YMMV
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Unfortunately masks may just give a false sense of security, or make others panic. They can help sick people prevent spread to others, but it doesn't prevent one from getting infection.

However, a mask really helps remind you not to touch your face.
For me, I think this may be the most valuable aspect of wearing a mask. I was out today (Costco run) and I was really trying hard not to touch my face. Once becoming conscious of it, I'm surprised at how often I want to touch my face and that makes me think I do it very often subconsciously.


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Masks are simply not available at the moment.
Being clueless, I thought I'd just go to the store and pick a few up. Of course there aren't any. I realized that before I went out. Thankfully, being an allergy sufferer, I have about 6 or so of the N95's left from the last season (lawn mowing). I doubt I'll use them but I'm glad I have a few available. I also have a large supply of the surgical masks. They don't work as well for lawn mowing but they'll be good if I need to go out if I get sick.
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This might be duplicate information, but I received this email from Connecticare today.

What you need to know about the coronavirus
February 28, 2020
People wearing masks walking through an airport in Beijing. We gathered some facts and prevention tips about the coronavirus.
Thereís a lot of media coverage of the coronavirus. Hereís a quick overview to help answer some of your questions and reliable links for the latest updates.

Watch this short video produced by our parent company, EmblemHealth, and affiliate company, AdvantageCare Physicians.


What is a coronavirus?

A coronavirus (COVID-19 for short) is a family of viruses that cause illnesses ranging from the common cold to more serious respiratory illnesses. COVID-19 causes symptoms such as fever, cough, and difficulty breathing.

Who is most at risk?

For the general American public, the immediate health risk from the virus is considered low. Those who are most at risk are older adults, babies, and those with underlying health conditions or compromised immune systems. Health care workers caring for patients with the virus should also exercise extreme caution. At this time, we urge members to avoid travel into or out of China because the virus originated in Wuhan City, China.

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There is no vaccine against coronavirus to date. Researchers around the world are working to learn more about this virus.

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The best way to prevent any virus from spreading is to:

Wash your hands with soap and warm water for at least 20 seconds. Using a hand sanitizer can help as well, but washing your hands is always preferable. Teach children early on how to properly wash their hands.
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Clean and disinfect surfaces and touchpoints like doorknobs, handles, light switches, and your phone.
Continue to practice good hygiene to prevent coronavirus, and other severe illnesses like the flu, from spreading.

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As of Feb. 22, 2020, the CDC recommends that you avoid all non-essential travel to China. Check the CDC website for more information about traveling during the outbreak.

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I think the Mods and Admins are doing a terrific job with this thread. We have one of the best, or perhaps THE best mod team anywhere.

Preparing, as Brewer and others have advocated, doesn't mean panic rules my life (or theirs). It means that I am taking what I think are sensible steps to protect myself just in case.

We all know that most analogies are terrible, but anyway, an analogy might be that I have a very conservative AA to protect my portfolio from scaring me silly during adverse market events. That doesn't mean I am terrified of a bear market or inflation or whatever. It just means I am trying to take the logical steps to continue with my serene retired life without losing sleep at night. The same goes for my coronavirus preparations; they'll help me to continue enjoying life without losing sleep worrying.

As for the coronavirus, well, I can't find any reasonably priced high quality masks either and I refuse to pay what they are asking (which seems like price gouging to me). I'll leave those high priced masks for those people who are immune compromised (with my sympathies, too).

I don't go out a whole lot except for lunch and the gym. I guess if I start hearing people coughing or sneezing at either place, I'll stop going there for the time being (and go home, wash my hands, and stay home). I will be doing a lot of hand washing with soap. I have absolutely no problem with the idea of staying at home if/when coronavirus reaches my area. That's "Plan B".

F and I are not young kids, but there are a lot of older people whose overall health is worse off than ours. As I grow older, I think my immunity is improving; at least, I hardly ever even catch a cold any more. I will be cautious, and do all the sensible things within reason.

That said, this coronavirus thing doesn't scare me one bit. I've been through a lot worse. One of these days, I'll get a custom t-shirt made saying, "I survived the 2008-2009 Great Recession!". And then there was Katrina. But here I am, enjoying my retirement. This is truly the best time in my life.
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This is the link from the previous post about the virus.

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Kaiser Permanente drew the short straw in Oregon. They have the first patient with a community-acquired Coriv19 infection. I just received an email from them about what to do if you think you might be sick, and I am not a Kaiser member (although my husband is).
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Unfortunately masks may just give a false sense of security, or make others panic. They can help sick people prevent spread to others, but it doesn't prevent one from getting infection...

When you don't know who carries the virus and who does not, making them all wear masks in public is a good containment measure.

A lot more Chinese would come down with this COVID-19 if their government did not mandate this, along with the lockdown and quarantine.
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Kaiser Permanente drew the short straw in Oregon. They have the first patient with a community-acquired Coriv19 infection. I just received an email from them about what to do if you think you might be sick, and I am not a Kaiser member (although my husband is).

Very interesting. I haven't received that e-mail yet and am a Kaiser member. I found the story on a search which says the person is at the Westside Medical Center and that the Lake Oswego School will be closed till Wed. for a deep cleaning. It is not even mentioned on the K patient portal, just a generic statement about the virus.
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Kaiser Permanente drew the short straw in Oregon. They have the first patient with a community-acquired Coriv19 infection. I just received an email from them about what to do if you think you might be sick, and I am not a Kaiser member (although my husband is).
I'm a member of Kaiser So Cal, and I also got that email (well, I assume it's the same one.) It says if you're coughing, it's most likely a cold or the flu, and it also links to this page: https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org...virus-feb-2020

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Itís important to call us before you come in. Calling ahead helps us direct you to the most appropriate care, and take precautions to protect other members, patients, and employees.
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The smell of onion on your hands may cause raised eyebrows from people around you.

How about rubbing some crushed habanero on your fingertips? You would stop picking your nose in no time.
In case habanero is not hot enough, there's the Carolina Reaper that's 7 to 20 times hotter than habanero. It may even kill the virus.


Just joking. I do not have the habit of nail biting, but like to eat hot and spicy food.
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DH has a compromised immune system (takes Humira for psoriatic arthritis). One thing his doctor suggested (in addition to avoiding crowds, hand washing, etc) is to use a Nettie Pot every time we come in from out of doors. We actually use the NellMed squeeze bottle to rinse out the sinuses and eye drops to rinse out the eyes when we have been out. These things do seem to have helped to avoid colds and sinus infections. We have gotten so use to using the NellMed that we miss it when we forget to use it, it really cleans out the sinuses. Not sure what it will do for the new virus but maybe it will help.
One thing the DW & I do is take an Elderberry pill twice a day during the cold & Flu season. A good friend of ours suffers from Lupis and takes them to boost her immune system. We have done this for a few years now & haven’t gotten sick since.
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Unfortunately masks may just give a false sense of security, or make others panic. They can help sick people prevent spread to others, but it doesn't prevent one from getting infection.

However, a mask really helps remind you not to touch your face.
I'm not at the stage of wearing a mask, but one advantage would be other people might think you have "it" and keep just a little farther away. Which is what I'd like right now.
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Two new cases reported in Western Washington. A woman in her 50s that was recently in Korea and a teenager with no travel. Itís unsure where he caught the virus, but the article says it was in the community.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...homish-county/
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One thing the DW & I do is take an Elderberry pill twice a day during the cold & Flu season. A good friend of ours suffers from Lupis and takes them to boost her immune system. We have done this for a few years now & haven’t gotten sick since.
DH and I also take the elderberry pills-- our doctor recommended them to boost the immune system.
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I use dust masks a lot when I'm sanding down woodworking projects. I have 4 in stock now, but tried to buy some at the local home improvement store yesterday. Sold out, but there are still a lot of the bigger, expensive, heavy duty faceplate masks that use organic vapor cartridges on the shelves. Not sure if these don't work as well as the simple dust mask, or if people aren't up to spending $20- $30 to wear something more confining.
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MOD NOTE -- What is the possible use of this post? How will it help me or anyone else? Or is it just fear mongering? The warning with which I started this thread was a serious one. Heed it.
The category "mild" includes PNEUMONIA -- which is a very serious threat to a lot of people. I quoted enough material so people can investigate for themselves.
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The category "mild" includes PNEUMONIA -- which is a very serious threat to a lot of people. I quoted enough material so people can investigate for themselves.
Youíve made your point. The thread topic is ďpreparednessĒ, not beware.
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