MATH+ protocol for treating COVID-19

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Read an LA Times article https://www.latimes.com/world-natio...tal-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients about a Dr. Varon in Houston treating COVID patients where it had a one-sentence mention about the IV medication cocktail he uses.


Clicked around looking at more things about that doctor, and came across this article on the Dr. Marik protocol and the coming together of a key group of doctors backing it. https://medium.com/@joyce.kamen/wev...code-and-why-no-one-is-listening-36f609edc8c2


Down in the body of that article is the link that describes the MATH+ protocol https://covid19criticalcare.com/ which is the FLCCC = Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Working Group.


I'm not a doctor and I don't play on on TV. Just thought I'd share. Happy reading.
 
Interesting information. Thanks for sharing
 
spncity said:
Read an LA Times article https://www.latimes.com/world-natio...tal-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients about a Dr. Varon in Houston treating COVID patients where it had a one-sentence mention about the IV medication cocktail he uses.


Clicked around looking at more things about that doctor, and came across this article on the Dr. Marik protocol and the coming together of a key group of doctors backing it. https://medium.com/@joyce.kamen/wev...code-and-why-no-one-is-listening-36f609edc8c2

Down in the body of that article is the link that describes the MATH+ protocol https://covid19criticalcare.com/ which is the FLCCC = Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Working Group.


I'm not a doctor and I don't play on on TV. Just thought I'd share. Happy reading.
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I was wondering about that too - thanks.

I had read that article yesterday. I was really struck by how they were having to deal with patients in denial that they had Covid-19. Folks at deaths door, even having to return to the hospital and still refused to believe it. Bizarre.
 
OK, all that is rather one-sided with no peer review in the links. It makes me suspicious. Sorry. If they have to use facebook and other social media to get people to convince their physicians to use their protocol, then something is not quite right. What is that something? We don't know from the links in this thread.

In the end, it could all be what is helpful, but one cannot tell at all right now.
 
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OK, all that is rather one-sided with no peer review in the links. It makes me suspicious. Sorry. If they have to use facebook and other social media to get people to convince their physicians to use their protocol, then something is not quite right. What is that something? We don't know from the links in this thread.

In the end, it could all be what is helpful, but one cannot tell at all right now.
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I tend to agree with you.

But, I also recall the two researchers who discovered that ulcers were caused by bacteria, not stress, lifestyle and excess acid in the stomach. IIRC, it took them a decade to get the rest of the medical establishment to agree with them. Today, antibiotics are now the standard treatment for most common ulcers.

BBC NEWS | Health | Nobel for stomach ulcer discovery

Robin Warren and Barry Marshall showed the bacterium Helicobacter pylori plays a key role in the development of both stomach and intestinal ulcers.
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So, let's keep an open mind, and more research is needed.

P.S. I've upped both my consumption of citrus fruits and my time in the sun.
 
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Well, that explains the acute shortage of Vitamin C on store shelves.
 
Don't forget that these guys also had hydroxychloroquine as part of their protocol early on.

As far as public consumption of this information goes, I don't see any warnings about all the bad things that high doses of some of these things can do to you. OTOH, you cannot go to a drug store and get your own anti-blood clotting reagents, though I am sure you can eat some rat poison if you like.

And as an aside, I am well aware of how many medical advances work including the Nobel Prize for Helicobactor pylori. Maybe there will be one for the bacteria that causes UTIs?
 
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But, I also recall the two researchers who discovered that ulcers were caused by bacteria, not stress, lifestyle and excess acid in the stomach. IIRC, it took them a decade to get the rest of the medical establishment to agree with them. Today, antibiotics are now the standard treatment for most common ulcers.
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I used to enjoy Dr. Gabe Merkin's radio show. He was adamant that ulcers were a bacterial infection for years before it was accepted. I never know what to accept on nutrition since many of the "studies" fall into the, "Why Most Published Research Findings are False" category. Unfortunately that usually applies to these miracle cure outliers as well. It looks like Marik may be a bit of a Gabe Merkin. He has pumped some protocols before. Only time will tell if he is on to something, like Merkin was, or just pushing anecdotal hope.
 
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Read it now because it likely won’t be up for long. I go to a holistic doctor. He has (had) a blog where he was promoting a similar protocol. The FTC sent him a nice cease and desist order and he had to shut it down. Our current medical system does not really allow for natural answers.

I won’t go into details, but the one thing that bothers me the most about current treatment is that they basically have you wait until you’re in pretty bad condition before any treatment. This makes no sense when you have things like TheraFlu and ZiCam which are very clear that they need to be taken at the first sign of the illness to be effective.

My doctor told me once early on “if you have something like say a neurological problem, this (his natural therapy) isn’t going to cure it, but it will give your body the best chance at handling whatever’s going on.” I don’t see any harm in supporting your system as early on, or even in advance, of getting COVID, since as far as I know, the only “cure” we have for it is our body’s immune system.

But hey, I’m not a doctor and I haven’t stayed at a Holiday Inn in ages.
 
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..., but it will give your body the best chance at handling whatever’s going on.” I don’t see any harm in supporting your system as early on, or even in advance, of getting COVID, ...
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My observation is that many people will not prepare their bodies to give their bodies the best chance at handling whatever's going on.

That's because such preparation is mostly a lifestyle choice and many people choose other lifestyles. I don't think I have to mention co-morbidity at all.
 
Below I pasted an announcement and a link from the folks at:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

***BREAKING NEWS*** August 19, 2020
A monumental paper on our MATH+ protocol — authored by our Critical Care physicians — has just been published in the peer-reviewed, UK-based medical journal, "Expert Review of Anti-infective Therapy." Our paper in this journal — which has a very high-impact factor — means that now, our lifesaving protocol will be seen widely by physicians throughout the world. If you possibly can, we kindly ask that you share this link to your own social networks to ensure that existence of this paper in this prestigious journal is substantially amplified — and more lives can be saved. Thank you.

Here is the link:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/MATH-protocol-for-the-treatment-of-SARS-CoV-2-infection-the-scientific-rationale.pdf
 
spncity said:
Read an LA Times article https://www.latimes.com/world-natio...tal-is-finding-ways-to-save-covid-19-patients about a Dr. Varon in Houston treating COVID patients where it had a one-sentence mention about the IV medication cocktail he uses.


Clicked around looking at more things about that doctor, and came across this article on the Dr. Marik protocol and the coming together of a key group of doctors backing it. https://medium.com/@joyce.kamen/wev...code-and-why-no-one-is-listening-36f609edc8c2


Down in the body of that article is the link that describes the MATH+ protocol https://covid19criticalcare.com/ which is the FLCCC = Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Working Group.


I'm not a doctor and I don't play on on TV. Just thought I'd share. Happy reading.
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Yes. We have mentioned the protocol a few times here. It does sound promising. Thanks for the links.
 
spncity said:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

***BREAKING NEWS*** August 19, 2020
A monumental paper on our MATH+ protocol — authored by our Critical Care physicians — has just been published in the peer-reviewed, UK-based medical journal, "Expert Review of Anti-infective Therapy."

Here is the link:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/MATH-protocol-for-the-treatment-of-SARS-CoV-2-infection-the-scientific-rationale.pdf
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The above is the newest info - the newly published paper - that may be of interest. It explains why they believe Methylprednisolone is better than Dexamethasone for this virus.
 
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Marik loves his vitamin C (part of his sepsis cocktail too), but I think the immune suppressing action of the steroids and the anti-coagulation of the heparin are what's doing the heavy lifting. But certainly, if I got to that late-stage disease, I'd want steroids and heparin. I predicted, way back, a few months ago, that they'd loose their cold feet stance on using steroids. They were worried about shutting down the immune system, but by this stage in the game, the immune system has lost the battle with the virus and now it's just blowing up, causing more damage than it's solving.
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The article seems to be saying that hospitals tried a few things, but they really don't have any effective treatments to offer. Remdesivir helps a little bit if administered very early, but doesn't help at all if administered late, which is when much of it is administered (because they're 'saving' it for the worst patients :facepalm:). LMW heparin can address the clotting problem to some degree. O2 can help a little bit too, I suppose. They'll probably lose their fear of using steroids as time goes on, but that's just a band-aid. The battle is really won or lost in the earliest stages of the disease, or even before the disease onset (those with high A1C, obesity, diabetic, oxidative stress, have two strikes already).

There was one RCT I saw (NEJM) that started with a group of over 800 people (I think) that had a "high risk exposure" (6 feet or closer for 10 minutes or more without masks or eye protection). Some got hydroxychlorquine others didn't. The results were not statistically significant. The drug didn't help, even though the power of the study was good. But the take-away for me was that both groups had about a 1 in 7 chance of catching the disease from the high risk exposure. That's something like 14% if you go face to face with an infected person, which I found interesting.
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Video from last night.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy1kdZhXsP8


Author of MATH+ Protocol - Dr. Marik - talking about Covid treatment and the timing of the interventions - such as when antivirals are effective.

Some Q & A at the end.

If you're interested in his long paper, or a summary, they were updated Sept. 2nd. Available as downloads here but not sure how to isolate this link:

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www.evms.edu




 
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