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I wanted to share an experience with fraud on our CapitalOne MasterCard. It was frustrating to say the least.
We had two fraud charges hit one of our cards in mid-Jan (1/13) for Dinnerly and Ancestry.com. Called it in and Capital One created fraud investigation and removed the charges as is their normal practice. We are traveling internationally for several months, so the new card that was sent remained un-activated.
Almost two weeks later (1/25), another Dinnerly charge cropped up for the new (un-activated) card! I called again and went through the normal fraud routine. I asked them not to send a new card, since we are traveling and we'll request it when we're back in the US.
Another week goes by, and there is the next Dinnerly charge (2/1) for yet another card number. Frustrated by now, we did the fraud routine and then the agent said that MasterCard has agreements with several companies (Dinnerly being one) that accepts charges billed to the same subscription, even if the card number has changed.
Presumably, the fraudsters have this figured out! They (CapitalOne) said they would put in a request to (Dinnerly? MasterCard?) asking them to stop the subscription. Apparently, there was nothing else they could do about it!
Now you can guess what happens next (2/15), a new charge for a different $$ amount. I think they got around it by starting a new subscription in their account. A CapitalOne agent had said earlier that it gets harder to take care of a rogue subscription if the $$ amounts change.
So, I call and go through the drill. Each time after the first occurrence, I had asked them not to send a new card which is noted. However, I noticed that each charge had a new 4-digit card number showing up online in our account with the next new fraud charge. So, I asked if the new cards are automatically generated when an old card is canceled. The answer is yes. Didn't matter that I didn't have them shipped.
It seemed like we were in an endless fraud loop that no one could do anything about. All of this was taking place internationally (4 times total) and was no fun at this point. My only solution was to take my husband off of the account (it was his card) or cancel the account all together!
Finally, an agent suggested just dis-allowing any charges from Dinnerly on our account. I don't even know what Dinnerly is and obviously won't be using them now or in the future after all of this, so we tried it. It seemed to work! It's been a few days over the two week mark and no charge.
In summary, I find it is crazy that the trio of a vendor (Dinnerly), MasterCard and CapitalOne has such an huge fraud loophole.
Incredibly, there was no little to no recourse for CapitalOne to deal with it in a subscription scenario.
There was no good option for the consumer, besides recurring fraud protection and a bit of hassle & stress. If it were not Dinnerly and something that I needed to use, where I wouldn't want to block the vendor, I'd have to cancel the account.
Part of this is a vent, but I posted to let others know of this fraud situation so if it occurs you might be able to steer it off more quickly than over the course of several months.
We had two fraud charges hit one of our cards in mid-Jan (1/13) for Dinnerly and Ancestry.com. Called it in and Capital One created fraud investigation and removed the charges as is their normal practice. We are traveling internationally for several months, so the new card that was sent remained un-activated.
Almost two weeks later (1/25), another Dinnerly charge cropped up for the new (un-activated) card! I called again and went through the normal fraud routine. I asked them not to send a new card, since we are traveling and we'll request it when we're back in the US.
Another week goes by, and there is the next Dinnerly charge (2/1) for yet another card number. Frustrated by now, we did the fraud routine and then the agent said that MasterCard has agreements with several companies (Dinnerly being one) that accepts charges billed to the same subscription, even if the card number has changed.
Presumably, the fraudsters have this figured out! They (CapitalOne) said they would put in a request to (Dinnerly? MasterCard?) asking them to stop the subscription. Apparently, there was nothing else they could do about it!
Now you can guess what happens next (2/15), a new charge for a different $$ amount. I think they got around it by starting a new subscription in their account. A CapitalOne agent had said earlier that it gets harder to take care of a rogue subscription if the $$ amounts change.
So, I call and go through the drill. Each time after the first occurrence, I had asked them not to send a new card which is noted. However, I noticed that each charge had a new 4-digit card number showing up online in our account with the next new fraud charge. So, I asked if the new cards are automatically generated when an old card is canceled. The answer is yes. Didn't matter that I didn't have them shipped.
It seemed like we were in an endless fraud loop that no one could do anything about. All of this was taking place internationally (4 times total) and was no fun at this point. My only solution was to take my husband off of the account (it was his card) or cancel the account all together!
Finally, an agent suggested just dis-allowing any charges from Dinnerly on our account. I don't even know what Dinnerly is and obviously won't be using them now or in the future after all of this, so we tried it. It seemed to work! It's been a few days over the two week mark and no charge.
In summary, I find it is crazy that the trio of a vendor (Dinnerly), MasterCard and CapitalOne has such an huge fraud loophole.
Incredibly, there was no little to no recourse for CapitalOne to deal with it in a subscription scenario.
There was no good option for the consumer, besides recurring fraud protection and a bit of hassle & stress. If it were not Dinnerly and something that I needed to use, where I wouldn't want to block the vendor, I'd have to cancel the account.
Part of this is a vent, but I posted to let others know of this fraud situation so if it occurs you might be able to steer it off more quickly than over the course of several months.
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