FinanceDude
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Maybe Rahm Emmanuel can take them off our hands.............
I don't know Wisconsin's rules for such a thing, but I know politicians changing parties occurs from time to time. Is there something preventing one Republican from temporarily switching parties and showing up for the vote?Wisconsin can do the same but these legislators have supposedly crossed state lines and are holing up in Chicago. Illinois isn't going to extradite in this matter although I wish they would.
I don't know Wisconsin's rules for such a thing, but I know politicians changing parties occurs from time to time. Is there something preventing one Republican from temporarily switching parties and showing up for the vote?
I don't know Wisconsin's rules for such a thing, but I know politicians changing parties occurs from time to time. Is there something preventing one Republican from temporarily switching parties and showing up for the vote?
Maybe they've pulled the same trick a group of Democrat TX state Senators (AKA "the Killer Bees") did in 1979 when they fled rather than vote on a bill:Wisconsin can do the same but these legislators have supposedly crossed state lines and are holing up in Chicago. Illinois isn't going to extradite in this matter although I wish they would.
Nation: Flight of the Killer Bees - TIMEThe senators then revealed that the hiding place that had flummoxed the police was right in Austin, just three miles from the red granite state capitol—as the bee flies.
Maybe Rahm Emmanuel can take them off our hands.............
I guess the alternative is to lay off teachers. Is it better to get laid off or make concessions on collective bargaining, which brought us to this point in the first place?
ERD50....
Couldn't they simply raise your real estate taxes? You know, so those rich home owners could "pay their fair share" and not be the cause of the kids getting an inferior education?
Maybe Rahm Emmanuel can take them off our hands.............
There's a lot of truth to that GregLee. It's analogous to when a company becomes so successul in business that they force all competition out and then enjoy a monopoly. The gov't is forced to step in and enforce anti-monopoly legislation which is definitely not good for the monopolistic company but does help the public.
Sometimes the reward for being "too good" is getting your legs cut off at the knee. And that's whether you're an extremely successful business that gains a monopolistic situation or an extremely successful union that forces pay and benefits the payers cannot afford.
Actually... that is wrong... if a company is too good and becomes a monopoly... the gvmt will not step in unless they use those monopoly powers to keep someone else from getting in....
It is hard for the ones who are big from not trying to squash the competition... so in reality most are gone after by the gvmt... but Microsoft is pretty much a monopoly and has remained so for many years... they usually get a slap on the wrist now and then, but nothing like the AT&T breakup is happening...
The clock is now running for groups trying to collect enough signatures to trigger recall elections against seven Democratic senators, state officials said today.
Reid Magney, spokesman for the Government Accountability Board, said local groups have officially registered recall committees with his agency to try to recall Sen. Bob Wirch of Kenosha and Jim Holperin of Eagle River.
In addition, a Utah group, American Recall Coalition, has registered electronically to set up recall committees against Wirch and five other Senate Democrats - Lena Taylor of Milwaukee, Mark Miller of Monona, Julie Lassa of Stevens Point, Fred Risser of Madison and Dave Hansen of Green Bay.
Magney said his office is still waiting to receive paper registrations from American Recall Coalition but that the out-of-state group may begin collecting signatures for the recall elections in those districts.
"We thought we were going to have a quiet time after the election," Magney said. "Apparently not."
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Democrats and labor unions are also weighing whether to recall up to six Senate Republicans for supporting Walker's plan. Among those being targeted is Sen. Alberta Darling of River Hills.
The Assembly passed Walkers bill in full context last night, after more than 60 hours of debates, fillibustering, speeches, amendment discussions, etc. The vote was 51-17 in favor of the bill. There is a viral video of the vote, Democrats screaming at the top of their lungs at the Republican members of the Assembly. Wonder if my son's social studies class is still going to the Capitol for a tour in two weeks, to see democracy in action............
The Wisconsin Senate still has to weigh in on this one
This story will go on and on.
True in the sense of salary and retirement, although they can negotiate about some fairly petty rules such as compressed work schedules.I heard that federal employees don't have collective bargaining rights, is that true?
They'd be screaming at the budget cuts if the bill hadn't passed...no concept of fiscal responsibility.
Ahhh, Wisconsin Democracy in action...you should take your kids (offer to chaperone the whole class!) to see how their teachers and legislators are acting; nothing like seeing their role models practicing high-drama hysterics and running away from home. Too bad it isn't Taiwan or Korea, where they settle their legislative differences by throwing fists, shoes, crockery and food...the kiddies might really enjoy that spectacle.
The ironic part of all of this, is that these issues should have been aurgued about 2 years ago instead of now. The states mostly just plugged the gaps in their budgets the past 2 years with the federal stimulus money sticking their heads in the sand delaying the inevitable.
Maybe it's part of the whole "Green Jobs" thing--taking my green tax dollars and recycling them into union dues and donations to elect politicians favored by "the machine.""We're going to make sure that in every policy, every decision, we don't lose sight of the folks that brought us to the dance," he [Biden] said -- a reference to organized labor's support of the Obama-Biden ticket. "And toward that end, we have to make sure that the jobs we're creating come with fair wages and decent benefits."
Biden focused on the stimulus package, noting it will send taxpayer money through the pipeline to union jobs and specifically those in the building trades unions. "The focus of this administration the first month has been to rebuild American roads, bridges, waterways -- jobs for the building trades union," he said.
He said he and President Barack Obama will uphold the National Labor Relations Act designed to "encourage collective bargaining, encourage unions." He said it's not enough for corporations and government to "tolerate" workers forming unions -- "after using every trick in the book" to block them.
In addition to championing construction jobs, Biden described teachers, police officers, firefighters, hospital workers and factory workers as the "nation's heart and soul."
"Investing and getting more people access to broadband -- communication workers. Creating clean energy economy -- jobs that require electrical workers to modernize the grid, steel workers to go out and build the wind turbines, laborers to install the solar panels. Making our communities safer, jobs that require getting cops on the beat and keeping firefighters in firehouses. That's what we're trying to do," he said.
Since they were essentially fired when they were hired, probably should have used the money instead to work on the infrastructure. At least there would be something from it!+1 Could not agree more. So, did the stimulus actually "stimulate" any economic activity? Not really..........
There was another story in the news. 150 teachers are going to be laid off regardless of the dealing in Madison, because they were hired with stimulus dollars, and those dollars are gone..........
Agree. It was just another political ploy (regardless of party) to show that they were concerned with "the people"...+1 Could not agree more. So, did the stimulus actually "stimulate" any economic activity? Not really..........
The ironic part of all of this, is that these issues should have been aurgued about 2 years ago instead of now. The states mostly just plugged the gaps in their budgets the past 2 years with the federal stimulus money sticking their heads in the sand delaying the inevitable.