Anyone Financially Independent, but still working?

Well Mortal, you are not immortal!
Stats on retirement says, that although some may want to work forever,
most quit at about 62, because of health, layoff, burnout, downsized,
and other reasons.

As the other poster said, give yourself several decades, and see what your opinion will be.
 
Planning to retire at 62, don't know if it still qualified as RE.

In my book age 62 certainly qualifies as early retirement. Both, my pension and SS reduce benefits if I retire before 65 (actually 66 for SS).. If that isn't ER, I don't know what is.
 
FI but still working because of health insurance benefit as well as generous pay. I am 58, very tempted to retire but can't seem to find the gut to RE. Planning to retire at 62, don't know if it still qualified as RE.

I'm not sure if it matters because ER is in the eye of the beholder. My view is it would be before you can draw on pensions or SS and have to rely solely on savings for living, generally 55 or earlier. But 62 is better than 65 or 66!
 
Just reached FI after paying off the last two rental properties I bought. Still w*rking and watching the cash pile up. Almost brings back some of that youthful enthusiasm and ambition I thought was gone. How long will this last?
 
At the same time, I can imagine that never *having* to work again would make me have much less patience with the small annoyances of work, even if the overall experience is worth it.

I know for a fact that this is something I have a problem with. Back in college, I had a part time job as a waiter and, this might sound odd, but I was actually making too much money! I didn't really spend alot, so most of the tips and wages were getting banked. So, I started cutting back my hours. But, I found that the less I worked, the less BS I was willing to put up with. And finally, one of the managers torqued me just the right way and I decided that was it, called the store the next day, and said that was it, I'm done.

It happened a few years later, too. I had gone through a bad marriage/divorce that left me in a lot of debt, and picked up a second job delivering pizzas. For the first two years, I was often working 35-40+ hours delivering pizzas, on top of my regular 40 hour per week job. And I was willing to put up with a lot, because I was making some serious progress in getting that debt paid down. Once the debt was almost paid off, I started cutting my hours back. But again, I was finding that the less I worked, the less I needed that job, the less I was willing to put up with the various annoyances. Until finally I quit.

I can see it happening with my full-time job, as well. Starting this year, they're making me take more time off, as they changed their vacation policy. Used to be, anything I had over 200 hours would be cashed out to me at the end of the year, but for 2012 they changed it. Now, I can accrue up to 300 hours of leave, but once I hit that level, it stops, unless I start taking time off.

So, little by little, it feels like this job is getting phased out as well. So far this year, I've only taken one day off, the Monday after Martin Luther King day. Didn't do a damn thing all day, other than go with a friend to drop his car off for servicing and then take him to pick it up that evening. Felt good, being lazy! But it was kinda hard coming in to work the following day!

Over the past few years, as I've been saving and investing, I've been seeing a lot of dividend growth in my online brokerage account. In 2008 for example, dividends would have only covered about 2.8% of what I figure I'd need per year to live. In 2009 that went to 3.8%, 9% for 2010, and 16.6% for 2011. For 2012, I'm calculating dividends will account for about 21-22% of what I'd need to live off of.

Of course, right now, since I'm still working, I'm just using the dividends to reinvest, rather than live off of them. But, if that keeps on growing, it's going to be harder and harder to come into w*rk! :D
 
Alan said:
How long before you jump ship? couple of years?

We were FI 3 or 4 years before quiting and at times I really felt like throwing in the towel before my target date of my 55th birthday. For various reasons I'm pleased that I waited, although I didn't stop DW from pulling the plug 5 years before I did.

Original plan was mid 2009. Agreed to 4 more years at the beginning of 2009, i.e., end of 2012. That was a good thing given the condition of the markets.

In 2010, agreed to move back to the states end 2012 and visit asia a couple times a month from 2013. In 2011, the chairman asked me to hold off on the move back until the end of 2013, then visit asia once a month. I agreed on condition that I take more time off, more home leaves, and begin to ramp down from late 2012. The board accepted my conditions. I have some big tasks this year to get accomplished and succession has not gone as smoothly as I had wished. How long the once a month visit to Asia will last is an open question. I will enjoy still having the involvement, a salary, and health insurance. I suppose that once this phase begins, I will do it until either I get to the point that I don't want to travel so much or to the point that the powers that be decide that the expense of keeping me has become greater than the benefit. However, when this phase begins I will consider myself semi-retired, and will have about 3 weeks out of 4 to do what I want.

R
 
Thanks for the follow-up Rambler.

It sounds like you have a nice planned descent into ESR, then ER, when and if you are ready for it.
 
Financially, for a couple of years now, I have been at the point where I could leave at any time but I like what I have been doing for the past 40 years. So I will wait until August when I finish teaching my last term. I will miss academia, students, and colleagues but I had a good run and it is time. The system wants me to embrace too many new ideas and methods (some good and some bad) that I am not willing to adopt. There are also a few administrator wannabees that I might tell to go pound sand but I don't want to spoil my last few months. I'm pretty "old school" and my students and their successes tell me my style has worked well for them and I'm not willing to change and sacrifice my student's future for a method that is less effective. It does my heart good to have students and colleagues wanting me to stay indefinitely but it is time to "pull the bandaid" quickly and look for new challenges. It has been great to have enough for FI.

Cheers!
 
Spouse was volunteering with a non-profit, and that turned into a full-time job. It's going well and she's on day 69 of about 180. Less if her relief takes the job sooner.

I had always thought that if my "dream job" came along then I'd take it. Turns out I'm not as enamored of work as I thought.

Dory36, the creator of this board, used to say that you went around the workplace with a bucket in each hand: FI in one and BS in the other. Both of them would fill slowly. However if you managed to fill the FI bucket, then the BS bucket would also suddenly fill to overflowing.

There are occupations whose occupants may have no reason to retire: lawyers, doctors, professors, clergy. Maybe CEOs and social workers with the commitment of Mother Theresa (I'm referring to the social workers, not the CEOs). Having said that, we have ERs on this board from all of those occupations (except Mother Theresa).

In general, once you're FI, I think you'll decide that you'd rather have more control over your time. You can still contribute to society-- only on your own terms, and without endless department meetings or mandatory training or rush-hour commutes...

Farmers. Hobby Vineyards and Horses usually. It's not too hard to pick out those who are FI - for now.

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heh heh heh - After a career (50 to age 70) of 20 years of ER, I might give myself a gold watch and go back to work - as a hobby mind you. Or I might just wash my mouth out with soap and put such silliness out of my mind. :ROFLMAO:
 
Since FIRE in 09 I have taken on a couple of "special projects" for my former company and a couple of companies with similar businesses. The $$$ is excellent, stress level low and most of it is done from my home office. Try and keep the work to the winter time so that it doesn't get in the way of my golf game.

It has been enjoyable to me...seeing old acquaintances, exercising my brain and a knowing that I still have something to contribute. It has not made me regret retiring one bit. In fact the envy expressed of my situation by those that I deal with only further cements my decision.

I have been approached about a couple of full time positions after some folks heard that I was doing a bit of consulting. Guess they figured that I was bored or something. My respone? Now why would I want to go and do something like that!
 
I also fall into the marginally FI category. I plan to work about 3.5-4 more years to qualify for HI on my pension plan, and pad the retirement accounts. While we would not be homeless if I stopped today, I would like to have the resources to do some extended travel and snowbirding. That would still allow me to ER when pushing 56, pay full price HI on her pension plan for 4 years, then kick my slightly subsidized HI in at age 60. Stopping work today would mean counting on her plan and paying full price for 13 years vs. 4, and if it would go away we would not have another option. At least my plan is in better shape, so it's a belt and suspenders approach. :)

One caveat, both of our plans are currently being evaluated for changes, we need to see how that shakes out. In the meantime, I'm maxing out my retirement savings options and doing Roth conversions at the lower tax bracket. When I look at the cash flow over the next 40 years under different scenarios, these few years could have a big impact on our situation.
 
Relayed several times in this forum, I became FI at 51 but stayed until 58. Many reasons - some of which I've never completely thought through. At the time, I had 3 kids at home and, perhaps, I considered it a good "example" to go off to work every morning at 6:00AM. Rarely made it home before 5:00PM (did do some errands on the way home at times). I got to travel occasionally which was just about EXACTLY the right amount. Also, even though FI by almost any definition, my belt-and-suspenders mentality was in play. If FI X 1.0 is good, FI X 1.5 is better, right? But, the real reason I hung around was because I had achieved a position and duty which was (for want of a better description) a "fantasy" I had been nursing for years. God (and the forum) forgive me, but I actually enjoyed going in almost every day. The few exceptions were when performance appraisals or c*reer planning were due. As long as my direct supervision stayed out of my hair, I could do pretty much what I liked to do. Not a bad gig - especially when they paid me decent money to do it. I had gotten to a point where vacation time was in abundance, so I could leave for 5 weeks at a time if I so desired - and have enough time for several sanity days off as well. In short, the only "bad" things were occasional interruptions of the fantasy and not having total freedom of time.

When the assignment suddenly changed, I handed in my 2 week notice and left at the end of the week, finishing out my c*reer with unused vacation time. Sweet! Probably said it before, but FI was much more important to me than ER - at least for those last few years. I guess I just never hated having a j*b. It's just that some assignments were (became) intolerable. Being FI gives you options - options you can exercise at YOUR will. YMMV
 
When to actually RE after deciding you have reached FI is a personal decision based on many things, not just money. I ended time with megacorp at 55. To me, that just seem too early to stop accumulating for FI. Looking back now, it was possible, but DD was still in high school for crying out loud. So I found other work (consulting, working with small businesses etc.).

But in the end, even before DD finished college, the commute did me in. The 2- 1/2 to 3-1/2 hours per day on the road just getting to work and back seemed so pointless. So I ended it. Of course, with rental property I still have things I must do some days, but it's my things. And no commute.

DW is still working part-time, but that has more to do with HI since she has technically become uninsurable since her bout with cancer. Her earnings are almost nothing. If the healthcare system works out that little wrinkle in the next few years, she'll hang it up too, I think. Then we will be able to travel a little more.

The bottom line is FI opens up many more options. When it's time to RE, you'll know it.
 
FI, but working because:

  • Can't really move or travel much (kid in HS), so might as well work.
  • I love my work, work from my home office, and don't let the megacorp do anything to my spirit.
  • Don't want to fork over the bucks for HI.
  • The company that's buying my current company allows you to 'buy vacation', so soon I can get all the vacation I want by just taking a pay cut...sweet!
  • Can't imagine what I'd do with my time if I didn't work (I'd probably work and just not get paid for it [software engineering])
 
I'm FI and turned 47 last year. I had planned to be part of the class of 2012 and actually submitted my retirement papers, but pulled them back before they were official. I had the opportunity to stay in Europe, where I work, for an extra year so I decided an extra year to travel Europe while young was a good trade-off. DW and I just bought our retirement home in Colorado last week (taking advantage of buyer's market), so now we know where we will go, but have to decide when. I suppose it will be much harder to work past 2013 now that we have a home to go to. I have to admit that I really started questioning my sanity after submitting my retirement paperwork, especially since the next few years would do a lot towards being much more comfortable financially in the long run. However, now that we have our house, and are anxious to start living the life that we've imagined for ourselves, I think I'm committed to 2013. The worst that can happen is that I go back to work to earn a few more bucks if I must.
 
I think being FI and working...all depends upon whether you have some kind of control in your working environment. That way, you get out what you put in.
 
Paid off the house last week. Very happy about that. Have a very sizable net income. Both of us could FIRE at 43. Firecalc indicated no issue. But with young kids (10 and 5) I want the security of a few more dollars banked and I'm very worried about the added expense of non work health insurance. She's happy in her work. Me less so. Will see how things go in the next year or two
 
I did not wait on anything. I will pay cobra until august when I turn 65. I have 12 working days left in my lifetime. I thought I might have second thoughts about this but none at all. I cannot wait and really do not want to go in:Dto work tomorrow. With only two weeks left there is not much I can do. I will just enjoy the day knowing I am almost finished. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
I did not wait on anything. I will pay cobra until august when I turn 65. I have 12 working days left in my lifetime. I thought I might have second thoughts about this but none at all. I cannot wait and really do not want to go in:Dto work tomorrow. With only two weeks left there is not much I can do. I will just enjoy the day knowing I am almost finished. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

12 working days left? How exciting! :D :dance:
 
I think I am FI but there's always that nagging doubt. Last year, the plan was to retire if we could get a decent written lease on a piece of commercial property-same tenant for about 25 years, but the last lease had expired about 5 years ago. While we were negotiating, the tenant split. So now that property is under contract to sell for less than what we thought it was worth, but still a good amount. So much for last year's plan.

This year's plan is to get the property sold. There's no mortgage, but here are other expenses associated with a vacant commercial property. Those expenses screw up the plan. Assuming we close in the next 2 to 3 months, it's another uncertainty removed.

Probably everyone has this kind of stuff--you think you've got enough, the numbers look like they will work just fine and then God throws you a little curve ball.

But yes, in response to the original poster, I'm working and I think I'm FI. I'm just taking more time off this year and agreed to less compensation. I'm 62 and wouldn't mind working some for another year or two or even three, but I suspect it won't work out for my partners or that I will enjoy the freedom too much. And I wish my crystal ball worked better!
 
I'm 62 and wouldn't mind working some for another year or two or even three, but I suspect it won't work out for my partners or that I will enjoy the freedom too much. And I wish my crystal ball worked better!

This is the "Early Retirement Forum" ya know!:rolleyes:;)
 
I believe I'm financially secure or FI with 98% success rate from FIRECalc at age 42, turning 43 in a few months. The expense budget was based on 2011 expenses. It did not include SS or small pension so I built in a buffer.

I will not RE as I have several young kids and planning to provide things that I did not have when I was younger. We will not spoil them. I hope to pull the plug to semi-RE when I get closer to 50 or sooner if it feels right, but it has reduced my tolerance to working overtime or giving up weekends to megacorp. I do some landlording, but limiting time away from family to 6 - 10 hours per month currently.
 
I think I’m financially independent, but I’m not sure. I could look more closely at my financial situation, but I don’t want to be accused of being intrusive. Anyhow, I’m way old to retire at a young age. I’ve made my job as comfortable as I can: I don’t go in until 10:30—sometimes 11:00 and I leave by 3:00. Often, I leave earlier. I work five days a week, but if I have a doctor’s appointment (or go to Costco), I just take the entire day off. I am never in rush hour (and rush hour in Los Angeles is truly terrible). My work is a 20-25 minute drive and the drive is usually sort of pleasant.

In the last couple of years, I’ve sort of set up my finances to generate income: Lots of pssst Wellesley and a bunch of TIPS (the TIP ETF) and several individual stocks that have good yields and are relatively safe (like the ones everyone owns for income). I also have two high dividend stocks that I shouldn’t have, but discipline is not my strength. I am also collecting social security (kicked in at age 66) and I just love that Medicare.

I continue to work for several reasons: The big reason is, I don’t want to think about money. I just want to use it to make things better, quicker, easier. I have one kid who decided to go to graduate school (she picked an expensive one). Another kid will be buying a house soon (we hope) and he will need some financial help (we hope not). We will be helping them both financially.

Other reasons I continue to work are: I like my job and I like to earn money.


 
FI but still working. A couple of reasons I keep working....vesting in a nice pension in 3 years....a son with 2 1/2 years of HS left....the majority of my liquid assets are in IRAs and 401ks...I could take some from there but dont really want to. In a strange way, I feel like the walking dead, awaiting rebirth when I retire. Things that used to seem important at work just dont matter anymore :)
 
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