one out of six retire a millionaire

Funny how none of these recommended steps to becoming a millionaire includes real estate. I guess it's too hard for Wall Street to extract fees from rental income. My father-in-law has never invested in the stock market but has invested in rental properties and land for the past 55 years. His net worth is in the high 8 figures and very close to 9 figures. How many so called wealth managers or financial advisers recommend buying real estate for generating rental income? I know many people, myself included, that have made more money from real estate than the stock market. All three properties we own have more than quadrupled since the initial purchase and they have more to run due to low inventory.

True >> on the real estate. I have done well on real estate myself not on rentals but bare land that had potential.
 
True >> on the real estate. I have done well on real estate myself not on rentals but bare land that had potential.

Land is a bit more speculative but viable non the less. This article basically discusses why advisers don't push real estate:

Why don't financial planners recommend property investment? - Australian Property Investor

The key points from the article are:

"Financial planners have always been paid a commission for recommending investment share-based products. If they recommended clients to purchase a property, they wouldn't get paid. Sounds a simple and maybe rhetorical question, but is that advising or selling?

If they recommended their client to consider purchasing a property and not shares, they would in effect rule themselves out of a nice pay cheque today and, to compound the issue further, a lot of income in the future."
 
I don't know anyone personally who has at least one million. Having a high income would obviously help a lot, but I fear most people just don't have the income to get there even if the saving habits are there.

I'm not sure everyone would be willing to let other's know they had a Million or more.
I certainly don't tell anyone, it would only cause jealousy, and if they blabbed it around, some criminal might think I have stuff worth stealing.

Also, some folks might only have a few 100K in the bank, but their property/farm is worth millions.
 
street, thanks for posting this :)
In-depth readers can skip to the actual study here: https://unitedincome.com/documents/papers/UnitedIncomeStateOfRetirees.pdf

I found the study an interesting read. Quite different than the drumbeat of "most will not be able to afford to retire" that I hear so often in articles.
....This is consistent with overall wealth trends among all U.S. households. In general, as wealth increases, it will increase at a faster rate among wealthier households because of the larger compounding value of their money compared to less wealthy households.
Such a simple concept that many in the general population (though I think all here ;) ) grasp.

...These trends reinforce an interesting trend reported in our previous research that high-wealth retired households live more frugally than they need to. However, the depth of this frugality may have actually increased over time, as the relative wealth of rich retirees has increased while their incomes have not. The reasons for this trend are difficult to establish. Research has found that, as they age, people become progressively more pessimistic about future stock market and economic performance, which might lead to cash conservation. That trend is perhaps further reinforced by the finding in this paper that TV viewing increases as we age, and has increased as a share of the average retiree’s day over time.
Programming over time has become increasingly sensationalized, and cable news, especially, is prone to focus on isolated negative stories.
But there are perhaps other drivers of this trend as well, such as growing concerns about paying for lengthening lives or health care.
I'm sure I live "more frugally than I need to".

 
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Real estate produces a relatively steady income and has favorable tax treatment. No FICA tax on the rental income, although when I was working I paid the maximum anyway. Leverage, used appropriately, helps you build an asset base and a steady income faster than unleveraged paper assets. I suspect a lot of the one out of six built the majority of their net worth in real estate.
 
There you have it.

Watch less negative news, have less fear and blow more dough!
 
To the OP - it would be rather nice when folk post links, if it could at least be accompanied by a brief commentary, or we could be treated to your own reaction to, and views on, the article you are posting.


Or am I just being a grumpy curmudgeon, and doing particularly well in my training for old age? :LOL:
 
A M-aire ain't what it used to be. Remember the 50's TV show The Millionaire?

Of course being a millionaire was the popular standard of personal success for
much of modern history. A slightly more nuanced perspective from over a century ago (specifically from a booming pre-WWI New York City) is provided by this quote from an O. Henry story:

“As a money power a one-millionaire is of small account in a city where the man who cuts your slice of beef behind the free-lunch counter rides to work in his own automobile. “

The World and the Door
 
To the OP - it would be rather nice when folk post links, if it could at least be accompanied by a brief commentary, or we could be treated to your own reaction to, and views on, the article you are posting.


Or am I just being a grumpy curmudgeon, and doing particularly well in my training for old age? :LOL:

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The article says the "Average wealth for American retirees is $752,000", then in the next paragraph says "Still, the median wealth for retirees is just over $200,000."

The median is much more meaningful for understanding the situation for typical retirees than the average (mean). Bill Gates types really boost the average. Even 4% of $200K is only $8000/yr, and half of people have less than that to add to their SS.
 
Well I just mean this:

1957 6,339 production corvette, base $3,176 283ci V8; Optional 4-speed manual and fuel injection added


So in 1957 with $1 million you could buy 285 of these.


Today with $9 million to buy a similar performance and stylish car (compared to current average cars) would cost you about $100,000

Thus you could only buy 90 of them.

Not to be a curmudgeon, but a 2019 Corvette with 460hp lists for under $56k.

https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/corvette-stingray-sports-car
 
To the OP - it would be rather nice when folk post links, if it could at least be accompanied by a brief commentary, or we could be treated to your own reaction to, and views on, the article you are posting.


Or am I just being a grumpy curmudgeon, and doing particularly well in my training for old age? :LOL:

Sorry that I upset your day but all I can say is I'm not as good and perfect as you are.

On post #8 was my thoughts and should of been said in first post.

Thanks
 
More time for compounding

Perhaps having more millionaire - in real, inflation-adjusted terms - retirees shouldn't be surprising.

Neither the OP's article, nor the UnitedIncome study cited therein, distinguishes between the newly retired and the long-retired. They don't claim more people amass a million prior to FIRE; they just say more retirees have a million.

But today's long-retired will live a good bit longer than previous generations. The UI survey notes a substantial increase in average life expectancy (a nine year boost since 1900). Nine extra years for the porfolio to grow can be substantial.
 
So it appears my wife and I will be in the 7-figure classification when we retire. Does that count as two retirees or one? If we split our assets in half at retirement it is nearly guaranteed that neither of us would qualify. My wife will receive a $7K annual pension and mine will be zero.

Between us we have 6 siblings. Four of the six have or will retire as paupers. The other two will have substantial assets but will probably miss the 7-figure group, unless a $40k Pension counts as $1M in assets via the 4% rule as previously asked. These remaining two siblings will enjoy healthy pensions in retirement, even if less than $40K annually, that might push them over the $1M threshold when combined with other savings.

Too many unknowns with the article's claims.
 
^ I don't have the answer but a very good question and something for thought.
 
For those of us without defined benefit plans, $1M is not that much money going into retirement. I think a number of folks here are looking at "numbers" much higher. As was stated earlier, I wonder if the analysis attached a value for pensions or just ignored them in the analysis.

Marc
 
For those of us without defined benefit plans, $1M is not that much money going into retirement. I think a number of folks here are looking at "numbers" much higher. As was stated earlier, I wonder if the analysis attached a value for pensions or just ignored them in the analysis.

Marc
Closer to the 2mm range than 1mm, but have a minor pension only. However DGF has already started collecting SSDI and we have guaranteed other payments coming over the next few years and other guaranteed lifetime income.
Thus if one feels good about the income sources and calculators (for us) are at 100%, it still works even though we don't have what is probably the average of ~ 3mm for this forum.:D
 
Last night a story popped up on my feed - $10 million is the new $1 million. I was shocked, but see similar threads frequently - though none has jumped the shark daring to say $10 million. It is incredulous to me, more like ridiculous. $10 MILLION? At 4% that's $400,000 a year - before adding Social Security benefits.

I continue to believe that anyone can do just fine in retirement on $1 million. Most are doing it with significantly less. As with spending during a career, it's all about living within your means. If you want to let loose and live a bit more carefree and spend more in retirement, that's fine. However, it is not a requirement or a necessity.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/sav...million-is-the-new-dollar1-million/ar-AAyHAQR
 
Last night a story popped up on my feed - $10 million is the new $1 million. I was shocked, but see similar threads frequently - though none has jumped the shark daring to say $10 million. It is incredulous to me, more like ridiculous. $10 MILLION? At 4% that's $400,000 a year - before adding Social Security benefits.

I continue to believe that anyone can do just fine in retirement on $1 million. Most are doing it with significantly less. As with spending during a career, it's all about living within your means. If you want to let loose and live a bit more carefree and spend more in retirement, that's fine. However, it is not a requirement or a necessity.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/sav...million-is-the-new-dollar1-million/ar-AAyHAQR
Yes over at the City Data forum, it is clear there are many posters with less than 1mm and most state they are fine. Probably the biggest differences are much less travel.
Would venture a guess that very few posters here spend 400k yearly.
 
Well you are the efficiency travel king, but less than 40k per year total spending...:greetings10:

Last year we spent $48,657 Canadian ~ $36,855 US .....which included 3 back-to-back cruises, Costa Rica to Norway, followed by Krakow & Warsaw in the Spring.....then Bulgaria and a transatlantic cruise in the Fall.

This year will be slightly higher, with one trip under our belts and another to come, but that also includes payments on next year's trip(s)

What's the rallying cry "Blow The Dough"? :dance:
 
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