Where to golf retire?

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We sold our business earlier this year. FI and (semi) RE has been achieved.

We've been looking for that perfect house / town to move to. Here is what we are looking for.

1: Somewhere in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas or Missouri
2: Home on or near golf courses (hopefully one membership with at least a couple of courses)
3: Newer home under 350K
4: 1 hours drive to "real" health care options

7 months of looking and kicking tires has lead to a dead end.

Any ideas?
 
We sold our business earlier this year. FI and (semi) RE has been achieved.

We've been looking for that perfect house / town to move to. Here is what we are looking for.

1: Somewhere in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas or Missouri
2: Home on or near golf courses (hopefully one membership with at least a couple of courses)
3: Newer home under 350K
4: 1 hours drive to "real" health care options

7 months of looking and kicking tires has lead to a dead end.

Any ideas?



You just described Bella Vista, AR

https://bellavistapoa.com/
 
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I know.

Been there several times and can't find a house. The good ones sell quick.

Also concerned about the POA / Property owner infighting and the flooding issues over the past couple of years.

Rates for golf seem reasonable considering the number of available courses.

Hoping there are other options out there that we haven't discovered yet.:-\
 
Not in the right state, but a hidden golf treasure. In the “Sedona” of Colorado. Great healthcare close, college town, great food, close to Telluride, Ouray, Moab. Lower living costs, for Colorado.
http://redlandsmesa.com
 
I suggest.looking into one of The Cooper Communities out of Hot.Springs,.AR. They have substantial golf course properties around Hot Springs and Hardy in Northern Arkansas. They also have a.beautiful lakefront property on the Little Tennessee River in Vonore, Tennessee--south of Knoxville.

Another city with especially great golf is.Crossville, Tennessee. Their biggest development is.a Fairfield Community with numerous courses and clubs.

We live in the Tennessee River at.Muscle Shoals down the street from two Robert.Trent Jones courses that play 8050 yards from the back tees. They are.part.of the Alabama Golf Trail. Another Robert Trent.Jones course is a mile across the lake in sight of our house.

There are just so many golf.communities around.
 
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Need to be real careful if buying a golf course property. I had been looking at a place in South Carolina prior to retirement, visited it a couple times and really liked the area. As I got closer to retirement I noticed there were some really good deals on homes for sale in the development. It set off some red flags so researched it some more and found out there were some serious issues with the HOA and many of the homeowners. They did a major renovation to the golf course and ran into financial difficulties because of it causing huge increases in golf and HOA fees. Also changed the membership rules that made it very unappealing for new members to join which made it difficult for current homeowners to sell their homes so home prices dropped drastically. I'd be very leary of moving into any development that had financial ties to a golf course.
 
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I know.

Been there several times and can't find a house. The good ones sell quick.
--Numerous empty lots still available. Buy a lot and build your own.

Also concerned about the POA / Property owner infighting and the flooding issues over the past couple of years.--I have owned there for years. Just sold my course side townhouse on contract for deed. No issues with POA. Flooding is an issue IN THE AREA but not for homes built anywhere other than low lying dry creek areas.

Rates for golf seem reasonable considering the number of available courses. --Rates for golf and other amenities are reasonable. The area just south has built up a lot over the past 20 years with Walmart, JB Hunt and Tyson all head quartered near by. Univ of Arkansas just south of there has a ton of things to do.

Hoping there are other options out there that we haven't discovered yet.:-\

I am heading there again in September to play gold and visit my 86 yr old DM.
 
Monkey Island Oklahoma on the Grand Lake O' the Cherokees or Grove OK are good places to consider. Google 'Shangrila'.



Joplin Mo is 40 minutes away with Freeman and Mercy medical centers.
 
Check out lake of the Ozarks area. Lot of good golf and close to decent healthcare.
 
I realize I am spoiled by good weather living in California but all those places, listed above, have less than ideal weather. Too cold in winter and too humid summer. Any place with California weather without California cost of living?
 
I realize I am spoiled by good weather living in California but all those places, listed above, have less than ideal weather. Too cold in winter and too humid summer. Any place with California weather without California cost of living?

Portugal....
 
Check out lake of the Ozarks area. Lot of good golf and close to decent healthcare.

Thanks. This is the only place we have not visited yet (except for Portugal:D).

We may run over there this weekend.

Played Patricia Island course a couple of weekends ago at Grand Lake, OK. Couple of houses there looked good too...

Just want to explore all possibilities before we pack up and move.
 
I realize I am spoiled by good weather living in California but all those places, listed above, have less than ideal weather. Too cold in winter and too humid summer. Any place with California weather without California cost of living?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California,_Missouri

Too hot and humid in the summer and too cold in the winter? Stick around, it will change.
 
Another vote for Hot Springs Village AR. I own a townhouse on the lake. It is a gated community so no crowded lakes or golf courses. They have 9 golf courses and 10 lakes. Housing is cheap per sqft and taxes are very low compared to most places.
 
Not in the right state, but a hidden golf treasure. In the “Sedona” of Colorado. Great healthcare close, college town, great food, close to Telluride, Ouray, Moab. Lower living costs, for Colorado.
http://redlandsmesa.com

I have never heard anyone describe the area around Grand Junction as the 'Sedona of Colorado'. LOL. That gave me a chuckle. It's a place to shop for cars, liquor, and storage sheds. Gas & oil are the main industries, and one out of five people are at or below the poverty level. There's a reason living costs are lower there.
 
I have never heard anyone describe the area around Grand Junction as the 'Sedona of Colorado'. LOL. That gave me a chuckle. It's a place to shop for cars, liquor, and storage sheds. Gas & oil are the main industries, and one out of five people are at or below the poverty level. There's a reason living costs are lower there.

LOL. You need to get out of dodge once and awhile and expand your mind.

The area was named one of Wine Enthusiast's top 10 world wine destinations.
https://www.winemag.com/top-10-wine-travel-getaways-2018/grand-valley-colorado-usa/

The Colorado Monument, which backs up to the Redlands Mesa course I linked to is as stunning as Yosemite, but without the crowds.
https://www.nps.gov/colm/index.htm

The farm to table food scene is spectacular with all the fresh fruits and vegetables that come from the Valley. In fact there's a great farmers market in town tonight.

Add in year round outdoor temps and you have a great combination of desert and lush valley to enjoy.
 
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Familiar with the area and all of the above. We 'pass through' the area on our way to other places. Never saw it through the lens you're looking at it with, and can't get past the facts I posted & gritty feel of the place. To each his own.
 
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Where do you live now? Need to be near there for family? When I think of those states except Texas, I think tornados, crappy weather, low income.

If you are a golfer, how about staying where you are and buying a winter condo in Florida. Great weather from November-April. Great golf courses.
 
Familiar with the area and all of the above. We 'pass through' the area on our way to other places. Never saw it through the lens you're looking at it with, and can't get past the gritty feel of the place. To each his own.
If you don't venture off HWY 50, you're doing a disservice to yourself.
People also confuse Clifton with Grand Junction. That is an armpit. No doubt about it. We avoid driving through it as well. We like to take the roads through the vineyards or south past the monument. Gorgeous.

Your facts are off too. Of top employers in Mesa County, none are oil and gas related.
https://www.gjep.org/resource-center/leading-employers/
As for poverty, you are only overstating it by 25%.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/mesacountycolorado,laplatacountycolorado/PST045217
 
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We have Soooo many Golf courses in Florida, I am glad to see folks checking out other locals. Heck, they even call a Place "World Golf Village" just a few miles away from us.
 
Where do you live now? Need to be near there for family? When I think of those states except Texas, I think tornados, crappy weather, low income.

If you are a golfer, how about staying where you are and buying a winter condo in Florida. Great weather from November-April. Great golf courses.

We live in the Mid-west. Our property and vehicle taxes are more than double what the other states charge and our course options are becoming less viable in our little town. Looking to move to a place with "organized" golf leagues and outings so both of us (DW plays too) can find a game any day.

Bella Vista is starting to look like the best choice. Played in Edmond, OK (again) today. Kinda ruled it out due to the heavy vehicle traffic and pushy course traffic. Pretty course though.

A watched pot never boils. I think we are looking too hard. Might just wait til next spring unless something pops up.
 
Many new homes being built in Bella Vista, surprised you haven’t found something you like. I am not on the course, and don’t golf, but neighbors just drive their carts on the road to the closest tee that crosses the road to get the course. Cheaper than paying for a golf lot though there are many lots available. What I did find when looking for a home is that many of the realtors are long time residents and they have a clientele that they ‘hold’ homes for or buy for themselves and flip. They also showed very little urgency in responding to questions, etc. We were interested in three homes that our realtor showed us but went to make an offer and they said they already had an offer accepted. Felt like we got used to get someone else off the fence. Found a new realtor from the Rogers area and were happy with what we got. YMMV. Good luck! Also if it matters to you, some of the ‘insider’ things to consider - most homes have septic, if this bothers you it will limit your options but there are areas that have sewer. POA fees are only $24 (but likely to go up soon) a month. Then you pay user fees for most recreation, other than trails. Water is expensive! Many homes have rock, if you want grass, especially fescue, it will cost you to irrigate it in the summer. There will be a new bypass (partially done) that will connect to I-49 in Missouri. When complete in a few years (?) it will really open up the West side of town to more services. Doesn’t sound like schools is an issue but if it is, many people choose the east side of the highway as it is roughly the dividing line of those that go to the Bentonville ISD, most of the west side busses to Gravette (more country, smaller). People usually have a preference for one or the other. There is no natural gas, if you like gas for cooking, heating, BBQ, fireplace, you will be using propane, some have buried tanks, some above ground. If you buy a home on the side of the street with the power lines you will be limited to the size trees you can plant in your front yard. There are many homes that have steep drives that slope down to the house, I don’t like these due to rain water infiltration issues and some have managed it better than others. Most homes have crawl spaces, the best way to manage them is seal the vents, line the floor with plastic and buy a dehumidifier made for large crawl spaces to manage the moisture that comes with crawl spaces. This prevents, mold, odors and bugs. Many people buy buffer lots, some on both sides of themselves and the POA fees are reduced for these lots. You are restricted to what you can build on a lot that does not have a home. Restrictions are being written now that restrict outbuildings on the home lot. Hope this helps.
 
Many new homes being built in Bella Vista, surprised you haven’t found something you like. I am not on the course, and don’t golf, but neighbors just drive their carts on the road to the closest tee that crosses the road to get the course. Cheaper than paying for a golf lot though there are many lots available. What I did find when looking for a home is that many of the realtors are long time residents and they have a clientele that they ‘hold’ homes for or buy for themselves and flip. They also showed very little urgency in responding to questions, etc. We were interested in three homes that our realtor showed us but went to make an offer and they said they already had an offer accepted. Felt like we got used to get someone else off the fence. Found a new realtor from the Rogers area and were happy with what we got. YMMV. Good luck! Also if it matters to you, some of the ‘insider’ things to consider - most homes have septic, if this bothers you it will limit your options but there are areas that have sewer. POA fees are only $24 (but likely to go up soon) a month. Then you pay user fees for most recreation, other than trails. Water is expensive! Many homes have rock, if you want grass, especially fescue, it will cost you to irrigate it in the summer. There will be a new bypass (partially done) that will connect to I-49 in Missouri. When complete in a few years (?) it will really open up the West side of town to more services. Doesn’t sound like schools is an issue but if it is, many people choose the east side of the highway as it is roughly the dividing line of those that go to the Bentonville ISD, most of the west side busses to Gravette (more country, smaller). People usually have a preference for one or the other. There is no natural gas, if you like gas for cooking, heating, BBQ, fireplace, you will be using propane, some have buried tanks, some above ground. If you buy a home on the side of the street with the power lines you will be limited to the size trees you can plant in your front yard. There are many homes that have steep drives that slope down to the house, I don’t like these due to rain water infiltration issues and some have managed it better than others. Most homes have crawl spaces, the best way to manage them is seal the vents, line the floor with plastic and buy a dehumidifier made for large crawl spaces to manage the moisture that comes with crawl spaces. This prevents, mold, odors and bugs. Many people buy buffer lots, some on both sides of themselves and the POA fees are reduced for these lots. You are restricted to what you can build on a lot that does not have a home. Restrictions are being written now that restrict outbuildings on the home lot. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the reply. Kinda figured out the realtor thing you mentioned. We like the Scottsdale area (haven't played it yet, hope to once it opens again). We also like the courses on the east side, but have not found "THE" house. Thought about living in MO and buying a lot in B.V.

We've spent several weekends driving the roads and looking at homes in BV. Love the NW ark stuff to do.

Can't find anywhere else that offers as much.
 
Ya we are on the north side of Scottsdale, we actually love having it closed for green repairs as we walk the dog during normal golf hours now :). The demographics are changing rapidly, retirees are no longer the majority, lots of families moving in due to low cost of real estate vs. Bentonville. We would love to move to downtown Bentonville near Crystal Bridges art museum but old ranch homes are going for $400-500k and many being torn down. Most outsiders have no idea what the Walton family has done for NW Arkansas real estate, amenities, trails, museums, health care.
 
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