Beyond Meat Burger and Impossible Burger 2.0

[COcheesehead]

We have been spoiled, eating ground bison for years at $5/pound from a local farmer where I pass the Bison every day in their fields eating grass. No fancy labels, they don't claim to be organic, grass fed, etc, but I see happy Bison playing every time I pass by, and that is good enough for me. On top of that we know the place they use to butcher it which is also our favorite butcher. Plus hard to beat its low saturated fat and the taste.

We don't eat soy but do eat pea protein and we do eat some veggie burgers (but we are very careful with labels). Given Im allergic to some "natural" flavors, I have to stick to things that are just straight ingredients.

Given a choice in red meats, we'll always pick the bison. I also consume pea protein almost daily with my morning shakes. I use this mixed with frozen organic blueberries. https://www.orgain.com/protein/prot...t-based-powder.html?from=Catalog#851770006866

 

[COcheesehead]

There is also the whole slaughterhouse process that people choose to leave out. I met someone who worked at one and as he described it " picture hell on earth with animals quivering in fear on the line and screaming ". He quit after a week .

That is a thing of the past. I have been in numerous processing plants. The animal walks into an electronic charge to the head and dies without knowing what has even happened. We should all be so fortunate.

 

[FREE866]

That's just not true. You can check any fast food burger ingredients in the company web sites. Just checked McDonald's and BK they both state that their beef patties are 100% beef, no additives.

lol


oh c'mon people...a McDonalds hamburger if left out on a plate for a month doesn't change. If you want to eat McDonalds go right ahead , but please don't let yourself by deceived by marketing terms.

This was a doc years ago on fast food. Astounding.


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390521/

 

[FREE866]

That is a thing of the past. I have been in numerous processing plants. The animal walks into an electronic charge to the head and dies without knowing what has even happened. We should all be so fortunate.

haha@ "we should all be so fortunate". Fair point!



He worked at one last year. There are also hundreds of undercover videos at slaughterhouses available online. Nothing good happens there, but we all have a choice whether or not we want to support it.



This book also has numerous testimony from slaughterhouse workers:

https://www.amazon.com/Slaughterhouse-Shocking-Inhumane-Treatment-Industry/dp/1591024501

 

[COcheesehead]

haha@ "we should all be so fortunate". Fair point!



He worked at one last year. There are also hundreds of undercover videos at slaughterhouses available online. Nothing good happens there, but we all have a choice whether or not we want to support it.



This book also has numerous testimony from slaughterhouse workers:

https://www.amazon.com/Slaughterhouse-Shocking-Inhumane-Treatment-Industry/dp/1591024501

The plants I have been in in Colorado and Nebraska are as I described.

 

[Dranoel]

My wife and I (both vegetarians) stopped at Burger King last week. The Impossible Whopper was very good. But, it won't help your waistline at only 30 fewer calories than the regular Whopper. They also offered the option of having the Impossible burger cooked separately from the meat if that's a concern. It wasn't for us.

 

[audreyh1]

There is also the whole slaughterhouse process that people choose to leave out. I met someone who worked at one and as he described it " picture hell on earth with animals quivering in fear on the line and screaming ". He quit after a week .

Humans have been raising livestock since they began farming. Before that we hunted and killed wild game for food for a very long time. Livestock has to be harvested (killed) to be eaten. We can only strive to make the practice as sanitary and painless/short as possible.

 

[FREE866]

Humans have been raising livestock since they began farming. Before that we hunted and killed wild game for food for a very long time. Livestock has to be harvested (killed) to be eaten. We can only strive to make the practice as sanitary and painless/short as possible.

Probably deserves its own thread but just because we have done something for years doesn't justify us continually doing it. Evolution is an ongoing process no?


Cows are not optimized to make meat; they’re optimized to be cows. It takes 36,000 calories of feed to produce 1,000 calories of beef. In the process, it uses more than 430 gallons of water and 1,500 square feet of land, and it generates nearly ten kilograms of greenhouse-gas emissions.

Beef is a headache. It comes with a lot of baggage to worry about: antibiotic resistance, E. coli outbreaks, animal welfare, climate change. It’s the kind of icky biological variable that corporate America would love to leave behind—and as soon as beef becomes less profitable, it will.

 

[audreyh1]

Probably deserves its own thread but just because we have done something for years doesn't justify us continually doing it. Evolution is an ongoing process no?

Biological evolution is a very slow process, and I am not going to ignore long evolution and tradition in my own diet and health considerations.

No plant or animal has ever been “optimized” to be human food. We humans have taken advantage of the resources available over hundreds of thousands of years and managed to survive.

Beyond that it’s personal philosophy and can’t really be argued.

I really don’t care what Corporate America does, I will keep seeking out the food I consider to be most healthy for me. I don’t mind paying more for healthier food.

 

[FREE866]

Biological evolution is a very slow process, and I am not going to ignore long evolution and tradition in my own diet and health considerations.

No plant or animal has ever been “optimized” to be human food. We humans have taken advantage of the resources available over hundreds of thousands of years and managed to survive.

Beyond that it’s personal philosophy and can’t really be argued.

I really don’t care what Corporate America does, I will keep seeking out the food I consider to be most healthy for me. I don’t mind paying more for healthier food.

That's fine. However because of "humans taking advantage of resources" we are now facing some pretty big consequences. I could go on for pages , but this is a pretty good summary:

https://www.outsideonline.com/2399736/impossible-foods-beyond-meat-alt-meat

 

[JRon]

I really like both, hamburger and steak. These new beef-like options are great for people who want that. Good to hear they're getting closer, but watch out - if something tastes too good it might contain real beef

 

[joeea]

oh c'mon people...a McDonalds hamburger if left out on a plate for a month doesn't change.

Sorry, that's BS.

The patty is 100% pure beef.

 

[ERD50]

... oh c'mon people...a McDonalds hamburger if left out on a plate for a month doesn't change. ...

Sorry, that's BS.

The patty is 100% pure beef.

Yes, I'll be blunt and also call BS on most (maybe all, haven't checked every word) of what FREE866 has posted in this thread.

Slaughterhouses are not as he described. Anyhow, it's not like harvesting grain is without its own concerns. Here's a historical account of the harvesting of Barley:

And these three men made a solemn vow, John Barleycorn would die
They've ploughed, they've sown, they've harrowed, thrown clods upon his head
Till these three men were satisfied John Barleycorn was dead

They've let him stand till midsummer's day and he looks both pale and wan
They've hired men with the sharp-edged scythes to cut him off at the knee
They've rolled him and tied him around the waist, treated him most barbarously

They've hired men with the sharp-edged forks to prick him to the heart
And the loader has served him worse than that, for he's bound him to the cart

They've hired men with the crab tree sticks to split him skin from bone
And the miller has served him worse than that, for he's ground him between two stones

Horrors! What did that poor little grain do to deserve that treatment?

-ERD50

 

[FREE866]

Yes, I'll be blunt and also call BS on most (maybe all, haven't checked every word) of what FREE866 has posted in this thread.



-ERD50

Oh really?


I've posted sources to validate my comments in most of the posts


you obviously chose not to read them.

 

[ExFlyBoy5]

This is NOT the city data forum. I wish people would realize this fact.

 

[cyber888]

+1000 Amen. Cow Burgers have tons of fillers .. called the Red Slime. It's not pure beef. I read that McDo is only able to say '100% Pure Beef' is because that's the name of their supplier '100% Pure Beef'. It's a trick.

We have been eating Beyond Meat burgers and their Italian sausage. The Burgers are almost like real beef. They use a water base process to extract the pea, and they don't use Hexane and Soy. Impossible uses Soy. We're sticking to Beyond Burger, which can be purchased in our local grocery store.

Couple things.....burgers are not "health food" so I find it funny that some people are against plant based burgers for fear they are "processed". Please realize the amount of fillers and preservatives that go into a cow burger. Add in the environmental impact , health consequences and what is considered "normal" amount of cruelty involved with the animals as well.


We are on the cusp of a dramatic shift and given that protein is amino acids, lipids, trace minerals , and water (and all that is available through plants) I think that we will look back at 2019 as the year it started to become more normalized. I find it all quite fascinating.

 

[joeea]

I read that McDo is only able to say '100% Pure Beef' is because that's the name of their supplier '100% Pure Beef'. It's a trick.

LOL! Where did you "read" that wacky theory?

 

[MichaelB]

Let's please keep the discussion civil. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

 

[ExFlyBoy5]

OK, so some folks like real beef and some folks like fake beef and no one is going to change any minds here.

Let's please keep the discussion civil. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

Just saw your updated location.

 

[audreyh1]

+1000 Amen. Cow Burgers have tons of fillers .. called the Red Slime. It's not pure beef. I read that McDo is only able to say '100% Pure Beef' is because that's the name of their supplier '100% Pure Beef'. It's a trick.

Snopes says this is false. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-100-beef/

 

[MichaelB]

OK, so some folks like real beef and some folks like fake beef and no one is going to change any minds here.

True, but there may be some that don't have an opinion formed and are looking for information. Maybe thread participants can keep them in mind.

Just saw your updated location.

I like it because it's a place where civility rules.

 

[audreyh1]

That's fine. However because of "humans taking advantage of resources" we are now facing some pretty big consequences. I could go on for pages , but this is a pretty good summary:

https://www.outsideonline.com/2399736/impossible-foods-beyond-meat-alt-meat

Sorry, that article didn’t make much sense to me. Sure, these companies may be successful with their product. I don’t think that means the beef industry is going away any time soon. The US beef industry actually hasn’t grown in decades in terms of heads of cattle. Americans eat far more chicken now. As long as I have a supply of grass fed beef, I’m happy. That at least is more available these days. People can’t eat grass, but cattle and sheep can.

 

[Midpack]

Sorry, that article didn’t make much sense to me. Sure, these companies may be successful with their product. I don’t think that means the beef industry is going away any time soon. The US beef industry actually hasn’t grown in decades in terms of heads of cattle. Americans eat far more chicken. As long as I have a supply of grass fed beef, I’m happy. That at least is more available these days. People can’t eat grass, but cattle and sheep can.

+1, the article sounds like clickbait hyperbole.

I don’t believe the beef industry will go away ever, but it’s nice to have alternatives. We’re big fans of Beyond Meat, and we’re happy eating less beef (than the average American?). DW never eats red meat, but I like a good prime steak a couple times a year, and high end grass fed beef burgers at restaurants every month or so. What do they say, moderation in all things?

 

[Retch The Grate]

Wow. And people want to eat that? As has been mentioned, certainly a highly processed food. I don’t eat great, but I do pretty well at staying away from an ingredient list like the one above. I was out at Soy, but three types? Then the what the heck is that - Methycellulose, soy Leghemoglobin . . . No thanks.

Reminds me of diet soda. I’ll take a real soda in moderation. With a real burger.

Methylcellulose is a common filler/thickener it is indigestible cellulose that is harmless to humans.

the Soy Leghemoglobin is the hemoglobin equivalent that gives it that proper burger taste and juice.

 

[ERD50]

OK, so some folks like real beef and some folks like fake beef and no one is going to change any minds here. ...

Why does it have to be about changing anyone's mind? Can't we just discuss the topic and take from it what we can?

These are an alternative, and I'm interested in hearing people's opinion of them. I'm not sure anyone knows if they are healthier or not, and I doubt it matters. I enjoy a good burger, but they don't make up a very significant percent of my diet.

They may well be better for the environment, the process of turning vegetable matter into meat does require a lot of resources. But even that is a fairly complex calculation (but I feel pretty safe on siding with these being 'better'). But again, if I have a burger once or twice a month, does it really matter?

For me personally, I have not been a fan of vegetable products that try to emulate meat. But maybe these would be different. I eat some vegetarian based meals because I like those vegetables in a meal, I'm not looking for them to taste like meat. Not being a purist about it means I don't mind if there is some meat broth, or a bit of bacon or sausage for a little zing. Flexibility is good (for me).

-ERD50