I expect to come down with coronavirius, so to plan ahead for that ...

[LOL!]

I expect to come down with coronavirus, so to plan ahead for that ...

I now see it as inevitable that I, my wife, and/or my kids will catch coronavirus some time within the next 3 to 6 months. It is going to happen. I no longer see that any amount of gloves, masks, gowns, social distancing, or quarantining is going to prevent getting sick.

So I think when one of us gets sick, we will really have to stop going to any grocery store or leaving the house at all until all of us have been fever-free for at least 2 weeks or more. With that in mind we will have to have food, drink, and medicine supplies in the house before we get sick to last through that time.

However, before then, we can go on living, go to the store, bring home take-out meals, and so on. But we should have an untouchable supply for when the time comes to stay home and inside out of any possible physical contact with other human beings.

Possibly I suppose we should make deals ahead of time with the neighbors that we will leave food and other items on our back porches for each other in the case of illness within a household.

We should also have a definite plan for when we are sick enough to go to a clinic or hospital. It is pretty clear that they don't want you at the hospital unless you are sick enough to possibly die.

 

[P.S.]

That sounds like a good plan LOL!.

I know everyone here is a super planner, but in all the media talk about TP and hand sanitizer, I haven’t read reminders to get end of life affairs settled, mainly advance directives, but also other estate stuff. Then again, maybe advance directives are irrelevant in situations like what Italy is facing.

 

[aja8888]

Us too

The way the virus seems to be spreading, I think it's very possible that either my DW or I, or both of us, will get it. I stand a good chance of getting by it as I am pretty healthy at 76, but DW, at 75, had advanced COPD and a few other health issues that would be a real problem for her if she gets the Coronavirus. She is on oxygen 100% of the time now and her lungs are pretty inefficient.

We are staying "in" (her especially) and I am doing all the grocery runs, etc. We will deal with it when or if it happens.

We live about one mile from the three big hospitals here in The Woodlands. We know the drill to get there quickly.

 

[zedd]

Oh yeah you'll get it alright. We all will eventually. Odds are pretty long tho that it will kill you specifically.

God forbid it should take a loved one or someone you know.

What a great idea to reach out to a neighbor. Ping someone you haven't heard from in awhile too.

This could all blow over soon but should it come the point where the spaghetti really hits the fan we won't have but each other to depend on.

 

[Independent]

The virus won't be "under control" until most of us have been exposed. Almost all of us will find out immune systems fight it off, a few of us won't.

Thanks for talking about this. I think that, eventually, people will understand it usually is not a death sentence and they will be less concerned about getting infected, at least young healthy people won't worry much.

But, yes, before then, we should plan ahead. If we scrounged around, our normally stocked cupboards would probably feed us for two weeks. I've bought a little extra so I have choices. My niece would deliver stuff if we asked, but we'd probably look to friends. I know I would have no trouble running errands for people if I'm healthy, I think we know other people who feel the same way.

 

[mh]

Just remember even if you think you will likely get it. Putting it off as long as possible has real value. Flattening the curve and all that [emoji52]

 

[ivinsfan]

Just remember even if you think you will likely get it. Putting it off as long as possible has real value. Flattening the curve and all that [emoji52]

I'm a expert at procrastinating I got this..

 

[Dawg52]

This is the reason for all the hoarding. The high possibility of getting the virus and the unknowns going forward.........

 

[VanWinkle]

I'm a expert at procrastinating I got this..

 

[JoeWras]

This is the reason for all the hoarding. The high possibility of getting the virus and the unknowns going forward.........

Hope you are not justifying it.

We are trying to keep distance and haven't been to the store in 10 days. Apparently, when we go this week, we're screwed.

From what I see some on this forum reporting, they are going to the store daily. That's not helping.

 

[sengsational]

Oh yeah you'll get it alright. We all will eventually.

Many of the models don't have everyone getting it. The majority, though, probably. But at some point, I hope those who avoided the disease will have access to a vaccine.

 

[audreyh1]

From what I see some on this forum reporting, they are going to the store daily. That's not helping.

In terms of going to the store - it may take several days to stock up to shelter in place. I figure the sooner the better to get that done if you are in an area with no cases yet reported.

 

[ivinsfan]

Hope you are not justifying it.

We are trying to keep distance and haven't been to the store in 10 days. Apparently, when we go this week, we're screwed.

From what I see some on this forum reporting, they are going to the store daily. That's not helping.

Do you have any option for delivery or online pickup...if you do start looking now for a stock up after this weekend. I'm trying to have something scheduled every 7 days to keep my house decently stocked. and no I'm not hoarding anything.

 

[JoeWras]

In terms of going to the store - it may take several days to stock up to shelter in place. I figure the sooner the better to get that done if you are in an area with no cases yet reported.

Right. I see too many justifying their constant trips. Just like others justify meeting with friends, or playing pickleball. Or hell, like I justified my bike ride on the crowded paths yesterday.

You know: "Nothing's reported, nobody had symptoms."

Look at Seattle and the silent spread that was occurring through most of February to understand why that is not helping.

People are getting way more than 2 to 4 weeks worth of stuff.

 

[Dawg52]

Hope you are not justifying it.

We are trying to keep distance and haven't been to the store in 10 days. Apparently, when we go this week, we're screwed.

From what I see some on this forum reporting, they are going to the store daily. That's not helping.

It's reality tho. If people believe everyone is coming down with it then most think they better stock up as there may not be a backup plan....as in neighbors not being able to help you out. I haven't been to the grocery store in a week btw.

 

[audreyh1]

Right. I see too many justifying their constant trips. Just like others justify meeting with friends, or playing pickleball. Or hell, like I justified my bike ride on the crowded paths yesterday.

You know: "Nothing's reported, nobody had symptoms."

Look at Seattle and the silent spread that was occurring through most of February to understand why that is not helping.

People are getting way more than 2 to 4 weeks worth of stuff.

So your complaint is that people are stocking up too much stuff?

And if you need stuff to stay home for a long period you shouldn’t get it as soon as possible?

 

[JoeWras]

So your complaint is that people are stocking up too much stuff?

And if you need stuff to stay home for a long period you shouldn’t do it sooner?

Right. They are hoarding. Too much stuff. Way more than 4 weeks worth from what has been reported here.

Look, if everyone wasn't bumping elbows, waiting in lines at Costco, etc., there would be less spread. Oh yes, spread is occurring, reported or not.

Instead, if people got "extra", but not hoard quantities, there would be:
- less person to person interaction
- less trips to visit multiple stores or same store different time

Problem is since hoarding occurred, it cleared out shelves. So people keep going back and time and time again. Some on this forum "enjoy" watching the show, even think the stupid behavior is a form of entertainment.

If we take only what we need for a short stay, then it limits the interactions.

We probably need to go to the same model other places have put in place. A rationing system of sorts that limits the number of people in the store, and limits lines. A sign-up system, etc.

My millennial neighbor says: "This is our generation's WWII." No it isn't, not when you keep driving around. Put rationing in place and then we have WWII.

 

[ivinsfan]

Right. I see too many justifying their constant trips. Just like others justify meeting with friends, or playing pickleball. Or hell, like I justified my bike ride on the crowded paths yesterday.

You know: "Nothing's reported, nobody had symptoms."

Look at Seattle and the silent spread that was occurring through most of February to understand why that is not helping.

People are getting way more than 2 to 4 weeks worth of stuff.

You bring up Seattle, a different case because in mid Feb no one really knew what was going on.

I can't explain the mentality that causes someone to buy a year's worth of toilet paper.

As far as someone buying two to four weeks of food not really hoarding IMO. I live 15 miles from the nearest store and had a pretty intense work schedule when we had cows. I always had that much food in my house as a practical matter.

I know more then a few people a couple minutes from a store who think nothing of stopping in almost daily. (preCOVID). Their fridge is almost empty and not much in the pantry. People who want eggs for breakfast and have one egg in the carton. To go from that to buying two weeks of food will cause a run on things. I eat fresh when possible, did a switch to frozen and a little canned. I had a 100 bill on my last pickup and I didn't hoard a darn thing.

If you think anybody reading is enjoying even one second of this stuff you are greatly misinformed.

 

[Nemo2]

I'm a expert at procrastinating I got this..

I'm postponing it until next week.

 

[JoeWras]

You bring up Seattle, a different case because in mid Feb no one really knew what was going on.

Is it? We knew about Wuhan. Seattle has a strong connection to Asia. You think we weren't suspicious?

So now I hear about communities with "no reported cases." How does that make it different than Seattle mid Feb? That's the problem, some communities think they don't need to change behavior because it isn't there yet. Guess what, it is there, they just don't know it.

I guess I'm a bit miffed because DW and I are trying to do our part of being very distant, and I hear that other people are constantly going out interacting multiple times, primarily to stores. We're doing the distance thing now, while things are calm, to break the chain of contagion. But it sounds like everyone else won't stop until the hospitals are overflowing. So, we're now the idiots because we're eating our supplies now. When they really lock down, we'll be starving.

BTW, I'm miffed at myself for that bike ride on the crowded trail. I'm no saint either.

 

[ivinsfan]

Is it? We knew about Wuhan. Seattle has a strong connection to Asia. You think we weren't suspicious?

So now I hear about communities with "no reported cases." How does that make it different than Seattle mid Feb? That's the problem, some communities think they don't need to change behavior because it isn't there yet. Guess what, it is there, they just don't know it.

I guess I'm a bit miffed because DW and I are trying to do our part of being very distant, and I hear that other people are constantly going out interacting multiple times, primarily to stores. We're doing the distance thing now, while things are calm, to break the chain of contagion. But it sounds like everyone else won't stop until the hospitals are overflowing. So, we're now the idiots because we're eating our supplies now. When they really lock down, we'll be starving.

BTW, I'm miffed at myself for that bike ride on the crowded trail. I'm no saint either.

What "other" people are you referring to? You are more then a "bit" miffed some people have behaved badly since the dawn of time and that's not going to change. And quit believing all this anecdotal evidence.

 

[gwraigty]

I've felt the same way from the start. DH still has to go to work for now. DS will have to continue to go to work at the nursing home - best job security in our household right now. DD is barely working right now as business has gone to rock bottom over the last week, but as takeout food is considered essential, she will still have to go in when they don't call her off. (They're trying to give everyone some minimal hours at least, spreading the pain around.)

Since I'm exposed through them anyway, I haven't been afraid to go out grocery shopping. I also have to drive DD to work. Those are the only 2 things I'm leaving the house for, which isn't too different from my normal life anyway. It pays to be a homebody by nature in these difficult times.

 

[LOL!]

In terms of going to the store - it may take several days to stock up to shelter in place. I figure the sooner the better to get that done if you are in an area with no cases yet reported.

It turns out that we already had enough rice, beans, pasta, toilet paper, tuna, chicken in the house, so there has been little need to go to the store.

We can live without milk, alcohol, fresh fruit, fresh veggies, beef for a couple of months, but I am sure it won't come to that.

While I am not a prepper, I have camped away from my car for more than week at a time and carried all my food in my backpack. I certainly wasn't carrying any refrigerated items nor ice.

 

[ivinsfan]

I've felt the same way from the start. DH still has to go to work for now. DS will have to continue to go to work at the nursing home - best job security in our household right now. DD is barely working right now as business has gone to rock bottom over the last week, but as takeout food is considered essential, she will still have to go in when they don't call her off. (They're trying to give everyone some minimal hours at least, spreading the pain around.)

Since I'm exposed through them anyway, I haven't been afraid to go out grocery shopping. I also have to drive DD to work. Those are the only 2 things I'm leaving the house for, which isn't too different from my normal life anyway. It pays to be a homebody by nature in these difficult times.

It doesn't really work that way. The more sources of exposure you have the greater chance you will get the bug or bring it home to your family. As far as your DD if it was an option I think you said she worked like 5 hours last week. IMO if she could get an unpaid leave I'd take it. You do an online shop and DD doesn't work in public, Bingo your chance of exposure is greatly lessened.

But your comment that it doesn't matter if you go to the store isn't factual.

 

[CaptTom]

Right. They are hoarding. Too much stuff. Way more than 4 weeks worth from what has been reported here.

Look, if everyone wasn't bumping elbows, waiting in lines at Costco, etc., there would be less spread. Oh yes, spread is occurring, reported or not.

Instead, if people got "extra", but not hoard quantities, there would be:
- less person to person interaction
- less trips to visit multiple stores or same store different time

Problem is since hoarding occurred, it cleared out shelves. So people keep going back and time and time again.

Exactly! I'm normally fairly well stocked, but did have to "top off" some essentials. Which, of course, were the same things everyone wanted. I worked down my list, for over a week, peeking out to check at times when I felt I was least at risk (like, right after opening or just before closing.) Hopefully I'm OK for a while and won't need to go out much now.

Some on this forum "enjoy" watching the show, even think the stupid behavior is a form of entertainment.

Guilty. While on my unavoidable errands, taking all the precautions I could, I also enjoyed watching the show. It is entertaining, but also a fascinating insight into human behavior. This sort of knowledge could save my life some day, and I'm glad to share it here so others can benefit without risking their own health.

We probably need to go to the same model other places have put in place. A rationing system of sorts that limits the number of people in the store, and limits lines. A sign-up system, etc.

My millennial neighbor says: "This is our generation's WWII." No it isn't, not when you keep driving around. Put rationing in place and then we have WWII.

We have rationing. 1 package of toilet paper at many stores. We have schedules. Seniors get to go in an hour early. One place had marked the floor 6 feet away from the register, with a sign indicating that's where the next person in line waits. Most people are doing that without being told.

I assume these things will expand if this continues long enough.

In some ways, it will be their WWII. Everyone is sacrificing. Maybe not to the same degree, or for as long, but virtually nobody's life is going on as usual, like so many did during the more recent conflicts. This sense of shared sacrifice may be a silver lining in all this.