Wow, it’s getting really scary in Texas - and everywhere else!

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Back to the comments about the low death rate...

Deaths locally over the past month have been varying between 0 to 2 a day with an occasional 3. Yesterday there were 5 and today 8. Edit: one was under age 20.

I fear it is just starting.
 
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Back to the comments about the low death rate...

Deaths locally over the past month have been varying between 0 to 2 a day with an occasional 3. Yesterday there were 5 and today 8.

I fear it is just starting.

Oh no!
 
FWIW, an interview with disease experts asked many interesting questions that I believe many laypeople have. Such as:


Would you go to the dentist?
Would you get a haircut?
Do you go to friend's home for dinner or have friend to your house?
Do you take precautions with mail and packages?

While they differ, I found this article to be more practical and easy to understand that those covering various studies.

Q: Do you shop in grocery stores, or order online? Do you wash the items off or disinfect the outside of packages once you get home?
Fauci: I do physically go to the grocery store, but I wear a mask and keep my distance. I usually go at odd times. I spend half the day alone in my office, and I’m part-time at the White House. In the late afternoon or evening, when I’m finished with the White House, I go shopping for groceries, or to drugstores. I don’t disinfect the bags. In general, I will take the materials out of the bags, then wash my hands with soap and water, and then use Purell, and let everything sit for a day.
Connick: I wear a mask when I shop, and stay away from people while in the store. I try to minimize my trips. As infections become more widespread, I think I will be more conscientious about making only one visit a week. I don’t wash the packages. I did that for about a week, then decided there would be more cases if the virus was transmitted that way. I don’t think there is a lot of virus hanging around on those packages. But I do wash my hands.
Volberding: We have wonderful stores in our neighborhood that really enforce everything. They don’t let you get close to anyone else and everyone wears a mask. I don’t disinfect or wash anything. I don’t think the evidence for surface contamination is real. I don’t wear gloves in the store, but I wash my hands before I go and when I come back.
Bell: I shop in grocery stores and order online. I don’t disinfect packages that I bring into my home.
Bloom: I shop at grocery stores, and also have them shipped. I don’t wash them, but usually let them sit for a day before I use them. The bug dies pretty quickly.
Satcher: I shop in grocery stores and I wear a mask. I do the handwashing thing. I’m compulsive about that. I don’t wash or disinfect the packages, but I do wash my hands after touching them.
One expert has a bottle of light scent he squirts into the air every day to test if he can smell it. Lack of smell is an early warning sign of Covid.



(https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...665ed6-b6fb-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html )
 
Probably a combination of younger skew in patient population, physicians learning how to treat the sick, and hospitals not yet being overwhelmed. If the hospitals get plugged up I imagine we will see the death rate soar.
Don't see deaths soaring. Cases have been increasing a lot for 3+ weeks and deaths continue to drop over last 5 weeks. If increased cases were significantly impacting deaths we'd be seeing a response before now.
 
I think we learned to protect the vulnerable ones more effectively. Senior centers, nursing homes, etc. are enforcing strict rules to protect their patients (and their business). My mom's assisted living place in Southern California is still not allowing me to see her in person, e.g..

Did the virus lose its potency? I hope it did but highly doubt it.
Agree.
 
FWIW, an interview with disease experts asked many interesting questions that I believe many laypeople have. Such as:


Would you go to the dentist?
Would you get a haircut?
Do you go to friend's home for dinner or have friend to your house?
Do you take precautions with mail and packages?

While they differ, I found this article to be more practical and easy to understand that those covering various studies.

One expert has a bottle of light scent he squirts into the air every day to test if he can smell it. Lack of smell is an early warning sign of Covid.



(https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...665ed6-b6fb-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html )
I do all of those things. And I drink wine every evening to assure my tastebuds are OK. Still fine as best I can tell, but I should leave & go check again.
 
Rt in Florida is 1.30. Texas is 1.15.

My state is 1.10 as of today.

Most states are over 1.0. Not so good.
 
Don't see deaths soaring. Cases have been increasing a lot for 3+ weeks and deaths continue to drop over last 5 weeks. If increased cases were significantly impacting deaths we'd be seeing a response before now.
Not enough time yet. The hospitals in hard hit areas are getting swamped now, we’ll see what happens in a few more weeks.
 
Bars and restaurants are definitely a large driver of infections here, where we’re also seeing a skew towards younger people being infected. 25% of the new infections in our area are in younger people. And the last update I saw showed 9/10 of the new case clusters happening in bars or restaurants. They’ve been shut down and will hopefully see our case counts starting to drop again soon.

Many of the servers are younger, but so are many of the patrons willing to return to indoor dining and bars. Some of the pictures that have come out are nuts. No masks and no social distancing. Both indoor dining and bars are a recipe for disaster with this virus. Combine that with an age group that isn’t very significantly impacted and it would be surprising not to see a rise in infections. As a 20 something, I would have been right there with them.
 
I'm buying bars crowded with young folks have been the #1 major spreader recently. The only one, no, but the biggest. People close, close together, not moving around much, talking closely at each other, no protection.

How stating what you think is true based on observations is scapegoating escapes me.

Costco not doing samples around me & people stay distanced in store lines. Airlines are pre-checking for fever. Not perfect, but screens some. Can't go in my haircutters salon until she invites me at door. Noen of these situations create near close contact for prolonged times except planes & I haven't heard/seen where they are big spreaders with the protections they're taking. Data would be good.

Anecdotal for sure but my just turned 21 year old niece posts almost daily pictures of herself in a bar with 8-10 other people posing cheek to cheek. I don't know of any jobs where you need to get that close. And her mother is a nurse and she's in nursing school!
 
One expert has a bottle of light scent he squirts into the air every day to test if he can smell it. Lack of smell is an early warning sign of Covid.
Morning coffee brew works just fine for this purpose. No special spray needed.
 
Q: What about Tinder hookups?
Fauci: they are ok if you are willing to take a risk.

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-meet-tinder-date-if-willing-take-risk-1498317

According to the quoted article, Dr. fauci’s resposne was a bit more nuanced.
You know, that's tough. Because it's what's called relative risk," Dr. Fauci said. "If you really feel that you don't want to have any part of this virus, will you maintain six feet away, wear a mask, do all the things that we talk about in the guidelines?

If you're willing to take a risk—and you know, everybody has their own tolerance for risks—you could figure out if you want to meet somebody. And it depends on the level of the interaction that you want to have."

He added: "If you're looking for a friend, sit in a room and put a mask on, and you know, chat a bit. If you want to go a little bit more intimate, well, then that's your choice regarding a risk."

The leading infectious disease expert on President Donald Trump's coronavirus task force warned that making sure your date was feeling will would not mitigate the risk of being exposed to COVID-19.
 
Not enough time yet. The hospitals in hard hit areas are getting swamped now, we’ll see what happens in a few more weeks.

Getting there rapidly. Texas had over 8000(!) new covid hospital admissions yesterday.
 
Getting there rapidly. Texas had over 8000(!) new covid hospital admissions yesterday.

You made me look and you read that wrong it's over 8000 in the hospital total which isn't good, but it's not 8K in one day.
 
You made me look and you read that wrong it's over 8000 in the hospital total which isn't good, but it's not 8K in one day.

Thanks for the correction. Seemed impossible that admissions could even be that much in one day.
 
I think we learned to protect the vulnerable ones more effectively. Senior centers, nursing homes, etc. are enforcing strict rules to protect their patients (and their business). My mom's assisted living place in Southern California is still not allowing me to see her in person, e.g..

On June 8th, outdoor visitation (supervised, appointment only, with time limits, social distancing - no touching allowed at all, and masks) started for residents in assisted living facilities in Ohio. That led to a backlash on a couple of fronts: families who disagreed with allowing visitation because of the still-present risk to their loved ones; families of nursing home residents who were angry that they still were prevented from being allowed to visit their loved ones when assisted living visitation was now being allowed. The latter group also felt that since staff are allowed to come and go as they please, it's not any additional risk to allow a family member to visit. (Source: Facebook comments on relevant news/press conference articles.)

On July 20th, outdoor visitation (with the same restrictions) will start for residents in nursing homes in Ohio. According to reported numbers on the state website, there have been no spikes in LTC facilities due to the visitations that started last month as of this point. DeWine spoke about the pleas from families of nursing home residents as a factor in his decision to open up visitation.

As I'd mentioned, my son worked as a dietary aide in the kitchen of a LTC facility in the nursing home wing, so I had a particular interest in monitoring developments. He quit his job there on June 28th after a management change in his specific area led to an ongoing scheduling fiasco that became intolerable. He'd tried to clarify and resolve the issues a couple of times in May, without success. He'd considered just putting up with it, but decided that nothing justified what the new manager was doing. His decision had nothing to do with the presence of coronavirus in the facility. He wasn't afraid to work there. We all agreed with his decision. He discussed it with us at length beforehand. He's taking a bit of time off to squeeze in some matters long put off before starting a new job hunt.

Ironically, a robocall came in a couple of days after he quit, announcing mandatory COVID-19 testing for all staff on July 2nd, so he just missed that. DeWine announced that this would be done on May 26th, so you can see how long it's actually taking to get around to all the nursing homes in Ohio. That's probably the last bit of LTC facility coronavirus news I'll have to share, since I don't have a personal interest in following that aspect of things anymore. I hope that some of my past info was of some interest here in understanding or getting an "inside scoop" in what was going on with the coronavirus in LTC facilities. :)
 
There are media reports that the hospitals are being overrun here in north Texas, mostly Dallas and Tarrant counties. When I look at Tarrant counties health department stats this morning, that does not appear to be the case. Total bed capacity is 5683 with 3874 occupied beds, but only 533 of the occupied beds are Covid cases. While social distancing and mask wearing takes personal responsibility, I do not know why the media wants to hold the government responsible for folks that refuse to be individually responsible. From my perspective opening the economy and controlling the pandemic are not mutually exclusive.
 
Anecdotal for sure but my just turned 21 year old niece posts almost daily pictures of herself in a bar with 8-10 other people posing cheek to cheek. I don't know of any jobs where you need to get that close. And her mother is a nurse and she's in nursing school!

I'm curious. Does she still live with her older and more vulnerable parents?
Do they let her back into the house?
 
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