There Won’t Be a Clear End to the Pandemic

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For many young people, it does not matter how you define it, they don't care.
I see young people hang around, play basket ball, soccer, etc, every day. Nobody is social distancing, wearing masks. For them, the pandemic is already over. (I am in a state with a democratic governor and a mask mandate).
 
No doubt that things are different now, and will stay different for quite some time yet. There are three households on my block where the residents have literally not left their house since March. They are petrified that if they go to a store they will immediately become infected and die. And they are not dimwits. One is a retired judge, one is the widow of a doctor, and one is the widow of a dentist. I consider them extremely fortunate that delivery services can provide them with whatever they want, but I couldn't live like that.

We will learn to live with COVID-19 because on the whole we are a resourceful people. A few timid ones like my neighbors, and a few foolish ones like the partygoers don't negate that.
 
I must be an oddball because I'm locked down more than I was in the spring. Infection rates in my community have been way higher over the summer so I've hunkered down more. I have rough ideas of the metrics when I would feel comfortable doing a number of activities (curbside pickup, shopping in a store or picking up takeout, dining in a restaurant, etc). If i can get a vaccine I may revise those somewhat since my risk goes down, but I'll be expanding my bubble one step at a time still.

We recommited to the lockdown after we saw how many people were not being responsible with their pandemic precautions. But we have been out a couple times to Costco and the doctor because our area's transmission rate is low. But the virus is still around.

and yes, some people think a vaccine will make things all better. Probably the people I know that thought the initial stay-at-home orders were just going to be for a short duration "like when a blizzard hits" is the exact quote.
 
In my area the transmission rate is starting to fall and so I feel a little less anxious but I am still being very careful. I live in a college town and the virus rates got so high I fled and went to the mountains to hide out. Now at least I feel safe going back to my residence. I think the areas with low transmission rates will get back to close to more normal first--but then if there are flare ups things will reverse. I also think if you know people who have died from the virus or have been very sick that also makes you much more cautious. I can see the mask mandate going away some day because so many hate it but I will keep wearing mine for a long time.

I believe there will be a vaccine and much better treatments in the next year or so. If I do end up getting the virus (which I believe is pretty likely) I want it to be later rather than sooner.
 
We will learn to live with COVID-19 because on the whole we are a resourceful people. A few timid ones like my neighbors, and a few foolish ones like the partygoers don't negate that.

Very true and a great reminder to keep this issue in perspective. Thanks.
 
Some reputable epidemiologists (I can't recall who) said that COVID-19 will never go away completely, and we'll have seasonal increases, regardless of masking, precautions, and even vaccinations. The R-naught number is just too high with this one (it's too easy to spread via aerosols, droplets, and touched surfaces), to expect herd immunity to offer much protection, even with vaccinations, IMHO. In CDC studies of COVID-19 transmissions on an airplane filled with N95-masked customers, one sick person made his way onto the plane, and he managed to apparently transmit this to one other passenger, possibly via a restroom on board that both customers used.

My best guess is that at the end of 2021, when most sources believe vaccines will be available for 'all' (in the US), we'll have this down to a much lower infection and death rate. But with ~37-38K new cases in the US daily for the past two days, we're no where close to controlling this. In the end, ~30% of Americans won't take the vaccine, so any immunity they obtain will have to be through infection. Since kids appear mostly to be 'asymptomatic spreaders', I predict that once the schools fully return to service, the kids will help infect their elders at a rapid rate.

Since I'm already 54, and already have one pre-existing condition that makes me higher risk, I'm likely never to return to 'the way it was' altogether. Once the number of cases are down to a very low number, I do hope to return to travelling, but will likely end major travels by the time I turn 65, to reduce mortality risk (unless we have a 90%+ effective vaccine or really great treatments that reduce mortality in those at risk). Here's hoping!
 
For many young people, it does not matter how you define it, they don't care.
I see young people hang around, play basket ball, soccer, etc, every day. Nobody is social distancing, wearing masks. For them, the pandemic is already over. (I am in a state with a democratic governor and a mask mandate).

Alas, it may take dead bodies or seriously ill friends to change minds. At the least these young folks will help drive us toward herd immunity, if it exists for long enough to be meaningful. I hope none of them end up being Long Haulers.
 
We have returned to restaurants . We do only go to ones that distance and wear masks . I am returning to book club Monday and we hope to start playing Trivia in October . I miss the gym but I have been faithfully exercising every other day . I have had my teeth cleaned and several doctor appts. .As soon as they drop the quarantine of passengers from Florida I will fly to visit my daughter . So except for travel my life is fine .
 
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For me, it ends when I can get on a BA flight to Europe and fly first class with no mask.

+1 (except for the 1st class part)

With the great air filters on planes that's a good possibility. But in the cities, the unmentionable face coverings may still be necessary. Especially as the world's cities become more crowded at least PM2.5 masks might be necessary, even in the USA. There is a reason the people in some cities were already wearing the unmentionable face coverings. Now throw in that concept that there will always be somebody with coronavirus walking around, just like any other virus (except smallpox).
 
Are you sure you read the right article....

Yes, I'm sure. A straw man is a very specific type of logical fallacy, and I couldn't find even a hint of that in the article. IMHO, it's hard to imagine how an article that simply discusses how the pandemic is likely to have more of a slow ramp down than a definite end—and isn't trying to refute any claims to the contrary—could even utilize a straw man.

I'm with Chuckanut here, but I dont need to defend my thinking on the Atlantic to anyone. You certainly can have have your own opinion.

Agreed. All I was asking was for you to point out something I may have missed in the article. You certainly have no obligation to do so.

Sorry to all for the off-topic detour.
 
IMHO, The Atlantic is one of the very few online magazines that actually strives for (and achieves) fact-based, intelligent, thoughtful, quality journalism on a regular basis. Sure, sometimes their opinion pieces can be a little biased, but they are far better than most others in this respect..


+1, I agree. I'd also be curious to know what things others found to be exaggerations or distortions in the article. I didn't pick up on anything like that.
 
Frank has been telling me nearly every day that our masked, solitary/distanced existence will never end so I'd better get used to it.

But despite what my dear beloved sweetie, and apparently everyone here, tells me, I think that line of reasoning is hogwash.

I think it will end when people have had enough of this, and would rather die young than to live a solitary, masked life, even one more day.

Many others, on the other hand, think it will never get to that point. I respectfully disagree. Like someone with his ear to the railroad track, who hears the rumbling of a train off in the distance, I sense that this is happening and that many are fed up.

Whether or not you think that returning to our prior way of living will cause mass casualties, my guess is that before long we will find out the hard way.
 
Frank has been telling me nearly every day that our masked, solitary/distanced existence will never end so I'd better get used to it.

We think folk are over reacting, it is absolutely Zero inconvenience for us to take the precautions that others rebel against, whatever their reason. They should simply get over it.
 
We think folk are over reacting, it is absolutely Zero inconvenience for us to take the precautions that others rebel against, whatever their reason. They should simply get over it.

I agree with you on the precautions, but do miss indoor stuff like concerts, movies, restaurants.
 
We think folk are over reacting, it is absolutely Zero inconvenience for us to take the precautions that others rebel against, whatever their reason. They should simply get over it.
Agreed, the basic precautions are very minor inconveniences and make everybody so much safer. Spread would drop significantly if people would just get with the program.

International travel is out of the question for us right now, for various reasons including Europe won’t let us in and generally too much public exposure. I don’t mind postponing that.

But we can still travel domestically, rent cabins/lodges/housing, go hiking, enjoy nature photography, etc. Restaurants aren’t that important to us right now. We have been enjoying making our own meals and picnics. I feel safe grocery shopping in uncrowded stores with high mask compliance.

We visit with family all the time via phone and FaceTime, emails.

Group settings aren’t that important to me. I don’t feel deprived by not sharing spaces with strangers.

I know many folks really miss the group socializing. We mostly avoided that pre-Covid except for the standard holiday family gatherings. Maybe at some point it will get where people can reliably test before socializing.
 
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I agree with you on the precautions, but do miss indoor stuff like concerts, movies, restaurants.
We put in a top notch A/V system at home because we can’t stand movie theaters. For concerts - there is a lot of high quality stuff online and we’ve been enjoying that as well as watching oldie concerts from the past.
 
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Many others, on the other hand, think it will never get to that point. I respectfully disagree. Like someone with his ear to the railroad track, who hears the rumbling of a train off in the distance, I sense that this is happening and that many are fed up.

Whether or not you think that returning to our prior way of living will cause mass casualties, my guess is that before long we will find out the hard way.

I hope you are wrong because mask wearing has really cut down the infections .Our local hospital has gone from 70 covid patients a day to ten due to the mask mandate .
 
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One of the things I'm doing to adapt, that I expect to continue, post vaccine, is I'm kitting out a home gym. I never really liked the extra 20+ mins of time commitment to "go to" the gym, nor the whole waiting around for that sweaty dude to move off the machine I want.

So I've bought a few things and found it's much easier to make my own routine and schedule in my garage. Not terribly easy to find gear as everything sold out at the start of the stay-at-home, but slowly building up enough for some decent strength training.

Similarly, I always preferred sitting outside for dining, and having done so weekly in south florida for an entire summer now, I will never say "ooh too hot and humid" again.

And I'm putting in a pool - I love the beach but this will be closer, never closed, never require parking, I'll never have some smoking shouting family plonk down next to me, and I'll never get a jellyfish sting.

I think individually we'll all find our ways to adapt, and in many cases we might prefer the substitute to whatever it was before.
 
I think individually we'll all find our ways to adapt, and in many cases we might prefer the substitute to whatever it was before.

I agree we have discovered walking at a nearby park that is something I have thought about but never did until now . I also never thought I would like ordering groceries online but I have found it has saved me so much money and it makes me more organized .
 
I also never thought I would like ordering groceries online but I have found it has saved me so much money and it makes me more organized .

^ This. Our grocery expenditures have dropped significantly even though we are eating more meals at home. Don’t ever plan to ever return to shopping for groceries in person.
 
IMHO, The Atlantic is one of the very few online magazines that actually strives for (and achieves) fact-based, intelligent, thoughtful, quality journalism on a regular basis. Sure, sometimes their opinion pieces can be a little biased, but they are far better than most others in this respect. Which of Lehrer's rules of journalism are they violating?.

After their hit piece last week about multiple unnamed sources who were afraid of "Twitter attacks", I wouldn't keep a copy of "The Atlantic" in my outhouse, if I had one.
 
I fear no twitter attacks for I am not on twitter. Tweet not and you will not be tweeted.
 
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