Covid Vaccine Distribution

[REWahoo]

Vasoconstriction...an autonomic nervous system reaction that can be severe in some people (or even regular people if they have been fasting). It's why they make you sit down in a chair with a little shelf on it, to give blood. The shelf is to keep you from pitching forward out of the chair.

+1

It works.

 

[Brat]

What happened after the 10th day? That's a cliffhanger! Was it, we followed for 10 days, everything is the same, or everything was the same for 10 days and then SHTF...

The disease rate the same for 10 days, after that the disease rate for unvaccinated went up, vaccinated went down.

 

[Gumby]

Were you an officer with your own quarters on a submarine? From what I've been told that is about the only way to be isolated for more than about 5 minutes.

No, you're never isolated from the rest of the crew, even the officers. But, as a crew, you're out of contact with the rest of the world for months at a time, so no wife and family, no TV, no radio, no internet, no cell phone, no sunlight, no exercise, no fresh air, and no fresh food. And you can't go more than about 350 feet in one direction (and only in that direction) for the entire time. It was good practice for the current situation.

 

[RetireBy90]

Vasoconstriction...an autonomic nervous system reaction that can be severe in some people (or even regular people if they have been fasting). It's why they make you sit down in a chair with a little shelf on it, to give blood. The shelf is to keep you from pitching forward out of the chair.

I always assumed it was to keep me from changing my mind and bolting after that guy next to me fainted

 

[cathy63]

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...ence-of-potential-mass-genocide-idUSKBN28S2F5

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledges on its website that it is not uncommon for people to faint after vaccinations. It says that although there is no definite answer as to why this occurs “scientists think that fainting is due to the vaccination process and not to the vaccines themselves”.

DD fainted once right after a vaccine when she was a teenager. I was at the front desk paying the co-pay before we left, and behind me I heard this little "Mom? I don't ..." followed by a loud thud. It was pretty scary for me, but the nurses assured us it happens all the time, with all different types of vaccines. They even kept orange juice in their fridge for just that situation, and she was completely fine in a half hour or so.

 

[Amethyst]

Poor girl! Had the same thing happen at my first blood draw, about age 20. I didn't feel the needle, and was curious, so I watched my blood going through the tube into the vial. When I tried to get up, down I went - or would have, except someone caught me. They told me never to look at my own running blood because "that's what can happen."

The weird thing is that I can see someone else's blood, or even my own wound, without a reaction - I'm not squeamish. But watching my blood run out of my body apparently scares the lower brain, or something.

Haven't had it happen with a needle, though. Yet.

DD fainted once right after a vaccine when she was a teenager. I was at the front desk paying the co-pay before we left, and behind me I heard this little "Mom? I don't ..." followed by a loud thud. It was pretty scary for me, but the nurses assured us it happens all the time, with all different types of vaccines. They even kept orange juice in their fridge for just that situation, and she was completely fine in a half hour or so.

 

[MuirWannabe]

No, you're never isolated from the rest of the crew, even the officers. But, as a crew, you're out of contact with the rest of the world for months at a time, so no wife and family, no TV, no radio, no internet, no cell phone, no sunlight, no exercise, no fresh air, and no fresh food. And you can't go more than about 350 feet in one direction (and only in that direction) for the entire time. It was good practice for the current situation.

Well, that makes current circumstances seem pretty tame. I like to think in my younger years I was capable of many things. But guess there’s no way I coulda been a submariner. I can’t handle this current situation that well.
Didn’t y’all ever come up to the surface? If so, I’d have been running out to the deck to suck in fresh air and Mother Nature. However, maybe that defeats the run silent run deep thing which was probably the whole point.

 

[Chuckanut]

Here’s why some states will get less than vaccine than they were told. It seems that the General in charge had counts for manufactured doses, not available doses. After manufacturing the doses must be checked by quality control before they can be available for shipping. The officer has faced up to his mistake. That is refreshing in and of itself.

https://apnews.com/article/politics...irus-vaccine-6e61f8f1eb9bb0151669d1fe2d9b5646

““I am the one who approved forecast sheets. I’m the one who approved allocations,” Perna said. “There is no problem with the process. There is no problem with the Pfizer vaccine. There is no problem with the Moderna vaccine.”

There’s a distinction between manufactured vaccine and doses that are ready to be released. The finished product must undergo “rigorous quality control and sterility tests,” which can take up to a month, the Department of Health and Human Services said.”

 

[jollystomper]

One of my SILs has received the vaccine. She is a doctor whose work brings her in contact with covid patients, but has been fine so far. She is the first one we know who has actually received it. She will be our family "marker" for how things go .

 

[tb001]

Here’s why some states will get less than vaccine than they were told. It seems that the General in charge had counts for manufactured doses, not available doses. After manufacturing the doses must be checked by quality control before they can be available for shipping. The officer has faced up to his mistake. That is refreshing in and of itself.

https://apnews.com/article/politics...irus-vaccine-6e61f8f1eb9bb0151669d1fe2d9b5646

““I am the one who approved forecast sheets. I’m the one who approved allocations,” Perna said. “There is no problem with the process. There is no problem with the Pfizer vaccine. There is no problem with the Moderna vaccine.”

There’s a distinction between manufactured vaccine and doses that are ready to be released. The finished product must undergo “rigorous quality control and sterility tests,” which can take up to a month, the Department of Health and Human Services said.”

I saw that as well. It seems odd, given that Pfizer would usually be the one doing all of these QC checks and they have said they have vaccine sitting ready to ship. Something doesn’t seem quite right, but I’m not surprised there would be missteps or miscommunications in a process like this. I’m honestly surprised we’re not seeing bigger issues like we saw earlier in the year with ppe and drugs.

 

[harllee]

One of my SILs has received the vaccine. She is a doctor whose work brings her in contact with covid patients, but has been fine so far. She is the first one we know who has actually received it. She will be our family "marker" for how things go .

YAH!! for your SIL and thank her for all her hard work. Did she have any side effects so far?

 

[MissMolly]

When my son was little he suffered from pallid breath holding spells if he bumped his head. Not a hard bump, just a little bump on the head. He would pass out, turn very pale, his lips would turn blue and he would have a seizure. This is so incredibly scary to witness in your child. The doctor explained that most little boys outgrow it by age 6 or 7 (as mine did) and that many little girls grow up to be fainters at the slightest pain. I suspect this is something similar to what this nurse went through.

 

[REWahoo]

When my son was little he suffered from pallid breath holding spells if he bumped his head. Not a hard bump, just a little bump on the head. He would pass out, turn very pale, his lips would turn blue and he would have a seizure. This is so incredibly scary to witness in your child. The doctor explained that most little boys outgrow it by age 6 or 7 (as mine did) and that many little girls grow up to be fainters at the slightest pain. I suspect this is something similar to what this nurse went through.

I think the CDC article boho posted earlier in the thread explains what happened to the nurse in the video very accurately:

Fainting (Syncope) after Vaccination

Fainting, also called syncope, is a temporary loss of consciousness caused by a decreased blood flow to the brain. Although fainting has a variety of possible causes, it is usually triggered by pain or anxiety. Sometimes people faint after vaccination. People who faint might fall and injure themselves if they are not sitting or lying down at the time that they lose consciousness. Sometimes when people faint, their muscles twitch and their bodies make jerking movements; this can sometimes be confused with seizures but are not actual seizures.

 

[gerntz]

As a regular blood donor, I've seen this story before. I've seen people walk into the donation center, get that look, and go down. Nobody even touched them.

Have to admit that as teenager I walked into doctor's exam room and next thing I knew he was holding my head up from the floor. He apparently broke my fall as I went down. No idea.

 

[gerntz]

Here’s why some states will get less than vaccine than they were told. It seems that the General in charge had counts for manufactured doses, not available doses. After manufacturing the doses must be checked by quality control before they can be available for shipping. The officer has faced up to his mistake. That is refreshing in and of itself.

https://apnews.com/article/politics...irus-vaccine-6e61f8f1eb9bb0151669d1fe2d9b5646

““I am the one who approved forecast sheets. I’m the one who approved allocations,” Perna said. “There is no problem with the process. There is no problem with the Pfizer vaccine. There is no problem with the Moderna vaccine.”

There’s a distinction between manufactured vaccine and doses that are ready to be released. The finished product must undergo “rigorous quality control and sterility tests,” which can take up to a month, the Department of Health and Human Services said.”

Sounds like he's covering for someone(s), either above or below. The way I read it, seems he was given the wrong number, not that he mistook one of two or more numbers. Regardless, he's recognizing the miss-communication.

 

[JoeWras]

The doctor explained that most little boys outgrow it by age 6 or 7 (as mine did) and that many little girls grow up to be fainters at the slightest pain. I suspect this is something similar to what this nurse went through.

The most memorable blood donation faint I remember was of a big, burly guy. He was a contractor at Megacorp, working on the electric in our lab for a few weeks. Big, strong guys working on that, throwing around conduit chases, running up ladders, etc.

Red Cross set up a donation area in a nice, brand new conference center. The guys came through the door to donate. How awesome to get our contractors involved! Next thing I know, I hear a big boom and he's down on the floor. Passed out at the check in station. He apparently didn't outgrow the problem.

For myself, I never used to watch the process. Now I like to watch the whole thing, from the puncture to the blood flowing out of my arm. I'm weird.

 

[Boho]

I think it's good to know whether you have that problem so you know whether you have to make sure you don't catch a glimpse of it when you're seriously ill. If I donate blood I'm looking. I guess it can happen with blood tests too.

 

[MrsHaloFIRE]

re: incorrect vaccine expectations on distribution quantity- I read in a news source that they had been modelling using made up numbers to learn the software, and then when the greenlit distribution they never removed the made up modeling numbers. Having worked in government offices where questioning was not looked upon favorable, I can entirely believe this.

re: the boutique/concierge med clinics requisitioning an allocation, that is perfectly acceptable AS LONG AS they stick with the tiered guidance on who can receive it when. If they start distributing like candy (one for you, one for you, one for everyone, thats why you pay me boutique fees) then THAT is black or gray market.

 

[jollystomper]

YAH!! for your SIL and thank her for all her hard work. Did she have any side effects so far?

Spoke to my brother (also a doctor) a little while ago. It has been more than 24 hours, says SIL feels fine so far, all vital signs normal.

 

[MrsHaloFIRE]

My relative received their pfizer vaccine dose 1 this week. Pretty heavy arm pain in the middle of the night first night. Few days of fatigue. I think it was about 12-14 hours after the shot when the arm pain woke them up. Coworkers say same thing, arm pain same timing and fatigue for a few days

 

[Amethyst]

Do you know if they were allowed to take any pain relievers? Sometimes doctors don't want you to take NSAIDs because inflammation is actually part of the vaccine process.

My relative received their pfizer vaccine dose 1 this week. Pretty heavy arm pain in the middle of the night first night. Few days of fatigue. I think it was about 12-14 hours after the shot when the arm pain woke them up. Coworkers say same thing, arm pain same timing and fatigue for a few days

 

[Boho]

I have a slightly bad shoulder that I was going to get the shot in so I don't have two bad arms but now I'm giving them my good arm. I don't want pain beyond what can wake you up. I can even sleep on my current bad arm. Actually, at least one other vaccine will be approved by the time I'm allowed to get it so I'll see if that one's less painful.

 

[bjorn2bwild]

DW had only mild arm soreness from shot #1 of the Pfizer vaccine, slightly less than with #1 Shingrx three months prior.
Also, the hospital pharmacist said there would be no conflict getting the second Shingrx dose as long as symptoms are mild with the first round. She decided it would be prudent to delay the Shingrx #2 as there is a 2-6 month window vs 19-23 days with the Pfizer vaccine.

 

[Telly]

Texas announced the next priority group today. It's almost scary, them getting out ahead and being clear about it!

So DW and I move up a step, to 1b, after they get done with 1a.

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/coronavirus/immunize/vaccine/EVAP-Phase1B.pdf

People 65 years of age and older.

People 16 years of age and older with at least one chronic medical condition that puts them at increased risk for severe illness from the virus that causes COVID-19, such as but not limited to:
•Cancer
•Chronic kidney disease
•COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
•Heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease or cardiomyopathies
•Solid organ transplantation
•Obesity and severe obesity (body mass index of 30 kg/m2 or higher)
•Pregnancy
•Sickle cell disease
•Type 2 diabetes mellitus

 

[MrsHaloFIRE]

Obesity being considered a chronic medical condition that filters you to the front of the line reminds me of my old boss telling me her sister was morbidly obese but needed to gain 12 more lbs so her insurance would cover her weightloss surgery so she was overeating as much as possible. I want DH to have the shot and yes Im slightly tweaked that had he put on 40 or so lbs as expected in retirement for his trade, he would now be in the hopper but since he didnt, he keeps waiting. Considering making him clean floors at HEB after hours so he's considered "essential."

Read an article out of TX dated yesterday discussing a hospital that had more shots that employees willing to take them so they started calling around town and inviting the pharamcists/techs and other health folks to come and get their shots. THey interviewed some of the folks getting the shot and they didnt require any proof. THey had a photo of a local politician NOT in the eligibility group with the vaccine needle literally in his arm. If I stumble across it I will post it.

added: What really tweaked me was the area this was in was near EL Paso which if any place in America sees the costs of COVID, its freaking EL Paso that's been overwhelmed and sending patients out of town for MONTHS and a hospital there cant come up with enough employees willing to take their shot. If anyone saw the consequences in their own community it should be them, but so much distrust and hesitation.

Added: I just googled, one in 3 in the state of Texas is considered obese. So that phase of vaccination just got really long really fast.