Post Vaccination Behavior

[Hermit]

Found it interesting (and somewhat disturbing) that during Congressional testimony, the heads of the NIH, HHS, and CDC reported that only about half of their employees have been vaccinated! These are health professionals on the front lines of the fight against the virus. What could they know that might make them hesitant to get vaccinated?

They don't "know" anything. They are humans, with all the irrationality that brings with it. Stop trying to stir up trouble.

A bit harsh on what seems a simple question, don't ya think?

 

[audreyh1]

Not all NIH CDC etc. employees are front line medical workers. There must be plenty of non-medical staff.

Medical doctors are a highly vaccinated group, but for some reason nurses and other hospital workers less so. I don’t think you can assume from that that somehow the non-doctors know some big gotcha no one is telling us but the doctors don’t know it.

 

[EastWest Gal]

DH is working in musical theater with their first performance in June. We’re hosting the cast party, but it’s a pool party, outside, and the cast is all vaccinated. We’re all vaccinated.

COVID cases are low in our area and the state is doing well in vaccination rate.

 

[mpeirce]

One reason may be that more health workers got covid than many other groups. Many people who had covid don’t feel the need to get a vaccine since they already have natural immunity.

 

[Chuckanut]

My local Kroger owned supermarket now has a small sign by the entrance telling us that if we are fully vaccinated masks are not required.

Almost all the customers were masked, but I saw a significant number of employees not masked, about 1/3 by my estimate.

 

[mpeirce]

My local Kroger owned supermarket now has a small sign by the entrance telling us that if we are fully vaccinated masks are not required.

Almost all the customers were masked, but I saw a significant number of employees not masked, about 1/3 by my estimate.

Kroger was the last grocery to relax the mask mandate here in Northern Ohio. I was at a Kroger the second day after they relaxed it. My take was that about 25% of the employees were maskless and about 60% of the customers.

The only places around here forcing mask wearing are government and healthcare.

 

[Another Reader]

They don't "know" anything. They are humans, with all the irrationality that brings with it. Stop trying to stir up trouble.

Once the vaccines become fully authorized, do you expect the military to make them mandatory? If so, will this likely extend to civilian employees and families living on base?

 

[ExFlyBoy5]

Once the vaccines become fully authorized, do you expect the military to make them mandatory? If so, will this likely extend to civilian employees and families living on base?

Probably yes for mil members but they can't make it mandatory for family members. They (US Govt) has already said that an employer *can* make it mandatory but that will most likely wind up in court. There are several states that have already passed laws telling employers that they can't require it. Again, more lawsuit fodder.

 

[Gumby]

Probably yes for mil members but they can't make it mandatory for family members. They (US Govt) has already said that an employer *can* make it mandatory but that will most likely wind up in court. There are several states that have already passed laws telling employers that they can't require it. Again, more lawsuit fodder.

I agree. It will be interesting to see whether the military can bar you from living in base housing if all eligible members of your household are not vaccinated. I would think probably they can, since you get paid a housing allowance (BAH) if they don't let you live on base.

 

[Aerides]

Probably yes for mil members but they can't make it mandatory for family members. They (US Govt) has already said that an employer *can* make it mandatory but that will most likely wind up in court. There are several states that have already passed laws telling employers that they can't require it. Again, more lawsuit fodder.

I would expect that, at some point in some undetermined future, the covid vaccines - following full approval - will be added to whatever list of vaccines are required for whatever roles. If 17 other vaccines are already on the list for that service member, then now it's 18, and probably a date to comply for those already active, etc.

Either, way, total speculation, and very, very, far away from the point of this thread, which is how we as post-vaccinated folks are now going about our lives.

 

[audreyh1]

I agree. It will be interesting to see whether the military can bar you from living in base housing if all eligible members of your household are not vaccinated. I would think probably they can, since you get paid a housing allowance (BAH) if they don't let you live on base.

Do they do this for other communicable diseases if the military member themself is vaccinated? Seems unlikely.

 

[Gumby]

Do they do this for other communicable diseases if the military member themself is vaccinated? Seems unlikely.

I don't know.

 

[HF63]

DH is the same--immune compromised due to autoimmune disease. He catches any virus that comes around, always sick with colds, flu, sinus infection, etc UNTIL THIS YEAR. In 18 months he has not had even a sniffle. This has been life changing for him, he has felt so much better and his life is such improved. So going forward we are going to do things differently. During cold/flu season we are going to avoid indoor crowds to the extent possible and if it is something we really want/ need to do we will wear mask (have not decided yet about gloves). We had quit shaking hands long ago. I will do all the same things because I do not want to pass on something to DH.

I am in the same boat, my boss used to call me Sponge Bob because I caught anything real fast. I'll continue to wear my mask, shield and gloves when doing anything indoors.

 

[ExFlyBoy5]

I agree. It will be interesting to see whether the military can bar you from living in base housing if all eligible members of your household are not vaccinated. I would think probably they can, since you get paid a housing allowance (BAH) if they don't let you live on base.

Actually these days, almost everyone get BAH if CONUS (and has dependents). Most of the housing is run by contractors and the mil members have to rent them. Some bases allow straight civilians to live in base housing as well if they have vacancies.

 

[Gumby]

Actually these days, almost everyone get BAH if CONUS (and has dependents). Most of the housing is run by contractors and the mil members have to rent them. Some bases allow straight civilians to live in base housing as well if they have vacancies.

Well, that is quite a change, and removes my hypothetical from consideration. Thanks.

 

[CardsFan]

Back on topic, we had a close to "normal" Memorial Day weekend.

Camping with a large group of friends. Lot's of kids and grandkids (none were ours, but we treat them all like they are).

Almost all of the older adults are vaccinated. Most of the younger ones (the "kids") are as well. Lots of hugs, since it has been 2 years.

Did we take a chance? I guess, but not a great one. But we are 65 and the good times are only going to last so long no matter what we do. H3ll, I took a chance driving a damn 22 foot RV 200 miles round trip.

I think the biggest issue with post-vaccine behavior not returning to normal is that a LOT of people do not understand the risks they take every day, relative the CURRENT risk of Covid.

JMHO. Feel free to disagree.

 

[explanade]

Apparently a lot of flights over the holiday weekend and a lot of cars on the road.

Several big sporting events with large crowds. I think Boston Bruins and Celtics games on Saturday and Sunday both played to packed stadium.

So we will see if there's a surge in a couple of weeks.

 

[timo2]

Apparently a lot of flights over the holiday weekend and a lot of cars on the road.

Several big sporting events with large crowds. I think Boston Bruins and Celtics games on Saturday and Sunday both played to packed stadium.

So we will see if there's a surge in a couple of weeks.

The surge will be muted though, as it will only be in the unvaccinated, according to that nice Washington Post article. So the vaccinated rate of the location is critical. Massachusetts is highly vaccinated, IIRC, so there may statistically not be a noticeable increase, even if the unvaccinated get hit really hard.

 

[MrsHaloFIRE]

Army (retired) wife here will chime in. Stateside, the military will not dictate or mandate any type of vaccinations for spouses, kids etc. But they def can and prob will mandate for those in uniform and perhaps those civilians working at high risk areas (mil hospitals and clinics etc). IMO as another said I can't see any linking to housing as those are mostly private contracts and you pay "rent" that is your housing allowance subtracted from your pay. Exception being barracks but those folks will fall under the everyone in uniform mandate so it won't ever come up.

Im hoping they mandate at clinics. Puting me in a tiny room with an antivaxing nurse, an antivaxing anrstgesiolpgist and an antivaxing doc? Take off my mask for my "safety." No thanks. Had to be put under twice during covid in tiny rooms with no idea pf the vaccine status of the staff and my mask hanging from the IV pole.

Once the vaccines become fully authorized, do you expect the military to make them mandatory? If so, will this likely extend to civilian employees and families living on base?

 

[Popeye]

Apparently a lot of flights over the holiday weekend and a lot of cars on the road.

Several big sporting events with large crowds. I think Boston Bruins and Celtics games on Saturday and Sunday both played to packed stadium.

So we will see if there's a surge in a couple of weeks.

I think I heard 135k at the Indy 500. Btw, congrats to Helio Castroneves on his 4th time winning.

 

[explanade]

The surge will be muted though, as it will only be in the unvaccinated, according to that nice Washington Post article. So the vaccinated rate of the location is critical. Massachusetts is highly vaccinated, IIRC, so there may statistically not be a noticeable increase, even if the unvaccinated get hit really hard.

Other part of it is all the travel.

Remember, the big surge came after Thanksgiving and other holiday travel.

 

[USGrant1962]

Other part of it is all the travel.

Remember, the big surge came after Thanksgiving and other holiday travel.

This is not correct.

The "big surge" started at the beginning of October. New cases went from about 50K per day in early October to almost 200K per day at Thanksgiving, quadrupling before "holiday travel". The case rate was going straight up in late October and early November. From T-day the trend continued up at a SLOWER rate through New Years, only increasing to around 300K at New years (i.e., +50% from "holidays" versus +300% before T-day). The holiday travel blame game seems to be a convenient fiction for the tut-tut-ers.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases

Too many people are anthropomorphizing the virus. Viruses are gonna virus.

 

[Lienlord]

Had to file a police report today, and found all OKCPD stations STILL closed to the public due to COVID (even though literally everything else is open). Honestly didn't know they'd ever closed since I'm not a frequent visitor! LOL
Called # on the door, and an officer took my report over the phone. I asked him how long the stations would remain closed, and he had no idea. Strange.

 

[Chuckanut]

Despite seniors now being about 85% fully vaccinated and the vaccine being available to the staff for about two months. our local Senior Center is still closed up tighter than a drum. It's almost like a spell has been cast over our elected leaders, and they are staring into the future like a deer caught in a car's headlights. Meanwhile people are mixing it up all over the place at the pace that suits them.

What was that joke from the 70's?...... Where are they? Where are they going? I must find them. I am their leader.

 

[rodi]

Once the vaccines become fully authorized, do you expect the military to make them mandatory? If so, will this likely extend to civilian employees and families living on base?

The very large public university systems here in CA (UC and CSU systems) have announced a vax mandate for in person attendance for fall 2021.... With a caveat that it assumes full authorization.

Both my boys are vaccinated so not an issue.

This is just one of many mandated vaccines for college students like meningitis.... Dorms are a hotbed of communicable disease.