Help. How to handle this situation from my daughter?

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My teenaged daughter recently had a birthday. As a "treat", she was told to take her friends out to a movie, lunch and to get them "return gifts" afterward. I dropped her off at a local mall. Four hours later, I got a text alert from my bank for a total of $450. Lunch & movie for two friends and herself was around $100. The remaining $350 were "RETURN GIFTS", at $175 each. The girls all entered a high end clothing and make-up store and went on a shopping spree on my dime.

When I called her in utter panic, she says they wanted to pick their own return gifts and ran into the high end stores, picking up everything they wanted. My daughter did not think it was "bad", until I sat her down and gave her a stern lecture about how there's this thing called a "budget" and that $350 for return gifts was NOT being on a "budget". She says that she'll pay me back once she gets a job (she's hunting for a part-time job now). My point is not "pay back", but setting firm boundaries with other people - including family & friends - where money is concerned.

I really have NO idea how to handle this. She's been an authorized user on my card for 4 years now and I've never had this issue before. She's always been a responsible kid, only using the card to occasionally buy lunch and text books for her courses. She's also ALWAYS checked in with me with prices so this is really startling, on top of the fact that she was not assertive enough to speak up and SAY NO, insisting the "return gifts" not be more than what they each gave her --$25 or max $30.

How do I handle this? She's very quiet, not very social and has no other friends. I'm worried if I let this go now, these girls will start taking advantage of her every time they "hang out", especially now that they know that she has a credit card. I understand I can "revoke" her as an authorized user from my card but then she will not learn boundaries, budgeting on spending on friends etc.

Please help.
 
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Maybe you've already handled it well? The only other thing I could suggest is setting a dollar limit unless she has permission to exceed the limit.

I think she may have learned a valuable lesson on setting boundaries with people, and that is an important lesson to learn. Good job.
 
It would sound like peer pressure from her "friends" who went a little overboard on someone else's dime. A debit card with a dollar value from any retail store might be a better alternative in the future.
Was the daughter surprised at your reaction to her friends?
Do you feel responsible in any way for the outcome?
 
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In the future, set a financial limit on things.

Being clear makes everything easier.
 
Maybe you've already handled it well? The only other thing I could suggest is setting a dollar limit unless she has permission to exceed the limit.

I think she may have learned a valuable lesson on setting boundaries with people, and that is an important lesson to learn. Good job.

+1 Only thing I would add to Helen's comment is to coach her about how to manage/ communicate the guidelines to others who are spending her/your money. This coaching would include a "guide" to know what is okay--question like, what would dad expect me to do.

Also lesson for you dad, if you did not give boundaries at the outset, some of unpleasant surprise is in your lesson book. Nevertheless kudos to you for allowing your daughter to have the experience and learn at a relatively low cost. At least no one bought a car :)
 
Maybe take the card back and give her a debit card that has a finite limit.


Personally, I'd ask the teen "friends" to return the merchandise and have a redo on the debit card.
 
OP, agree with the posts above regarding setting a limit going forward. I can see the pressure from your daughter’s perspective. You mentioned that she’s quiet and didn’t have many friends. All she’s trying is to “fit in” and have her circle of friends. Teenage is a tough phase and my 2 cents would be to be to put yourself in her shoes while slowly educating her on the budget. Once she figures out her comfort zone in the circle, I am sure she will find her balance and voice to draw the boundaries. I would consider this incident as water under the bridge while keeping an eye on future spending trends.
 
If she had gotten the lecture beforehand she'd have had a better perspective. I doubt you'll have to worry about it in the future given the prologue. She probably had no perspective or concept of this take friends to lunch/return present thing. I hadn't heard of it and would never have thought of it. To her it possibly sounded like "Hey, HQ said we can shoot the works."

Lecture first, especially for first-of-a-kind events.
 
Did you actually set a budget for her? If not, how was this, in your words, "NOT being on a budget"? Sounds like she's a good kid, but not a mind-reader. Had you actually given her a limit, maybe she could have been more assertive with her friends. I would cut her a lot of slack this time, and hope you both learned something.
 
Maybe it was your fault for not setting the limit for the return gifts? Did you give her a budget for the return gifts? Looks like you did not. You can't lecture her about a budget when you didn't give her a budget.

You should also consider taking her off of your credit card and getting her own credit or debit card. We did this with our daughter when she was maybe 14 and began commuting in to the city on her own daily. Many banks offer student checking accounts which can be a sub-account of the parent account and the parent has full control over. You can have a debit card issued on it, and can easily move money in or out of the account and set up other controls. It was also very easy to get a credit card from the bank after the account was established for a while - entirely in her name, no co-signing.
 
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How do I handle this? She's very quiet, not very social and has no other friends. I'm worried if I let this go now, these girls will start taking advantage of her every time they "hang out", especially now that they know that she has a credit card. I understand I can "revoke" her as an authorized user from my card but then she will not learn boundaries, budgeting on spending on friends etc.

I think you'd actually be doing her a favor if you "revoked" the card for a few months. A bit of protection from her "friends." A three month hiatus is not going to destroy her ability to learn boundaries, and in fact would give her some "ammo" so far as setting boundaries.
 
What does the term "return gift" mean I've never heard it before. I see now you are saying it was a tit for tat gift. Is that something that has become a thing?



It won't help now but it might have been less stressful all around if you had gotten cash in the amount you wanted spent and then given to your DD saying when it's gone the party is over. Sounds like you were OK with spending around 200 bucks so it was more then double your comfortable spending limit. In fact you did say your DD didn't really see a problem with it until you two had a discussion so it wasn't like she was afraid to say no my parents will kill me if I charge that much to their CC card. Hopefully to quote my favorite Killers song it will be "lesson learned and the wheels keep turning" A one off where you both learned something.



We have two daughters who were late 90's HS grad and didn't have much drama but peer pressure, even imagined peer pressure can be tough. We always told them feel free to blame things on us if you need an escape hatch because at HS level this doesn't always come naturally.
 
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Did you actually set a budget for her? If not, how was this, in your words, "NOT being on a budget"? Sounds like she's a good kid, but not a mind-reader. Had you actually given her a limit, maybe she could have been more assertive with her friends. I would cut her a lot of slack this time, and hope you both learned something.
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I think you both have already learned a lesson here. Set limits before hand and if she’s as responsible as you say, she will abide by it. I’m not a fan of the debit card idea. Credit cards have other protections. You can have the bank lower the credit limit on the credit card if that makes you more comfortable. But I think she learned her lesson.
 
This makes me think of the whole gift card concept. If there wasn't a clearly defined limit ahead of time it can't all be the kids fault.
 
I had the same experience, but my daughter was 8. She got invited to go to a movie, and it sounded like the other girl was going to pay for everything. I gave my daughter $20 (this was 10 years ago) and explained what to do if it turned out she had to pay for herself. When she returned home she said the other girl paid for the movie and candy, and then after the movie they went shopping. My daughter spent almost every cent of the $20. She was quite proud of herself. We had a talk about how that was "just in case" money and she was not supposed to spend it unless needed.

She turned out just fine. In fact, now she is tighter with her money than I am. I guess my after movie talk worked.

I'd chalk it up as a learning experience. It seems like you made it clear that she went beyond a sensible limit. Trust her to learn from the experience.
 
I have no idea what "return gifts" are, but it does not appear you set any dollar limit so you daughter was susceptible to being taken advantage of by these friends.

It's a lesson for you both, but I would not be too hard on her as kids that age rarely understand what money really means. It's more sad that her friends might have manipulated her, and I'd be more focused on that - identifying good friends vs. good money is a better life lesson.
 
I have no idea what "return gifts" are, but it does not appear you set any dollar limit so you daughter was susceptible to being taken advantage of by these friends.

It's a lesson for you both, but I would not be too hard on her as kids that age rarely understand what money really means. It's more sad that her friends might have manipulated her, and I'd be more focused on that - identifying good friends vs. good money is a better life lesson.


I guess no one but the OP's daughter know exactly what went down. It's also possible the DD felt really good going into a higher end store and "treating". A combinations of things could have happened. I don't know how old you need to be for an authorized user but between that and buying text books pretty sure they would know what money means.



It just sounds like a typical dealing with a teenager moment. With teens sometimes the "unspoken" things you think they should "know" that bring the problems.
 
I think you both have already learned a lesson here. Set limits before hand and if she’s as responsible as you say, she will abide by it.

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It is a lesson for both of you. You do not give someone your credit card without telling them what a limit is (Judge Judy has many cases over this type of situation). And you instructed her for the future on how to handle money.Hopefully she will listen (though peer pressure when spending others people money is very real).

I agree with others, in the future the best way to handle it is with a debit card. Maybe go buy of of the Visa/MC gift cards that you can put a set amount on. As an incentive, you can tell her "there is XX on the card, whatever you do not spend on activities/'return gifts' is yours to keep". Sometimes seeing an incentive for themselves will help keep things in line :).
 
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It is a lesson for both of you. You do not give someone your credit card without telling them what a limit is (Judge Judy has many cases over this type of situation). And you instructed her for the future on how to handle money.Hopefully she will listen (though peer pressure when spending others people money is very real).

I agree with others, in the future the best way to handle it is with a debit card. Maybe go buy of of the Visa/MC gift cards that you can put a set amount on. As an incentive, you can tell her "there is XX on the card, whatever you do not spend on activities/'return gifts' is yours to keep". Sometimes seeing an incentive for themselves will help keep things in line :).


Am I completely old school to say that cash would have prevented this issue...teens very seldom get a chance to handle cash and I think that's a shortcoming in todays world. Watch those bills go from your hand to pay for something, that's real!
 
Am I completely old school to say that cash would have prevented this issue...teens very seldom get a chance to handle cash and I think that's a shortcoming in todays world. Watch those bills go from your hand to pay for something, that's real!

You are probably right. It becomes a question of who has that type of cash lying around in the house to give to a teenager :).

But watching you hand over bills to pay for something definitely makes a difference. When our 2 oldest kids were in grade school in the early 1990s, they wanted to buy a Nintendo game system with birthday gift money. DW and I took them to the store to pick out a system and had them hand over their money. The look on their faces was interesting. And they have taken better care of that Nintendo system than any other toy they had - it still works today.
 
I think you'd actually be doing her a favor if you "revoked" the card for a few months. A bit of protection from her "friends." A three month hiatus is not going to destroy her ability to learn boundaries, and in fact would give her some "ammo" so far as setting boundaries.

That's what I was thinking too. It takes the pressure off the daughter, and she can get her own debit card. Of course, she can have the other card back after a while for real emergencies. You could offer to pay part of the gift charge.
 
She must be like 15-17, if she’s getting a part-time job. IMO, it’s time for her to have her own checking and savings accounts and a debit card, joint with you, of course. So, take your card away permanently and open her accounts up. She’s going to need a place to put her earnings from her job. Btw, this opens up a lot of teachable moments, like budgeting, financial sustainability, LBYM, etc.
 
The policy with my kids has been "first one is free, you pay for the next one" if we had *not already* discussed a given scenario and consequences - like don't play with a light saber right below the ceiling fan lights :).

Have only had a few of those, and nothing has been repeated. There have also been fewer incidents overall once they got the message.

If this was my situation, I'd put it in the "first one is free" category. You've had the discussion, the next one is on her (if it happens again).
 
We never had our kids as authorized users on our credit cards. I know with at least one what we did to start them off getting credit was a secured card where they had accounts at a bank for $1K and then they got a card with a $1K limit, secured by the money on deposit at the bank.

I told one of our kids that they didn't have to work the last semester of college since they would be busy with school and interviewing, and I would loan them their spending money that semester. It ended up being quite a bit more than I assumed it would be, but partly it was my own fault for not setting a dollar limit and leaving it open ended. They did get a good job upon graduation and had it all paid back in a few months.

If you've already talked to your daughter about budgeting and she is otherwise a good kid, I'd just let it go and consider switching her to a secured card, preferably secured with her own money.
 
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