But if you wanted health care reform, why would you support this bill?
Is non-rescission not reform? What about exclusions for pre-existing conditions?
But if you wanted health care reform, why would you support this bill?
Is non-rescission not reform? What about exclusions for pre-existing conditions?
And when do those take effect?
My state of Illinois has no income taxes on IRA withdrawls.......
And when do those take effect?
If I sprinkle some sugar on your mud-pie, can I ask - why don't you like your mud pie, you don't like sugar?
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Are they reforms or not?
Is non-rescission not reform? What about exclusions for pre-existing conditions?
What about exclusions for pre-existing conditions?
Based on your (non)answer, it sounds like mud pie, maybe with some sprinkles.
I know it sounds cold, but even the provision about preventing insurance companies from excluding kids with pre-existing kids, which evidently is very popular is troubling me a bit. As our understanding of genetics advances we will increasingly be able to predict potential problem with parents having kids. If parents are told that the odds are pretty high that if you have a kid, he will have a chronic disease, should society be forced to bear the entire consequences of their poor choice?
Based on your (non)answer to my questions, it sounds like you agree. They are indeed reforms.
In the mean time, care to answer the question - when do they take effect? You seem to be afraid of that one.
To be honest I am not sure I like preventing insurance companies from exclude people who have pre-exisiting condition.
Now obviously in some case it is just bad luck or bad genes that you have a particular disease and it seems unfair that not only do you get hit with a bad disease but you and your family financially crippled. But shouldn't their be some consequences for the obese person who has diabetes or high cholesterol , the smoker, the gay man who engages in unprotected sex and gets HIV or another STD etc?
Tonight it doesn't. But ya better check the newspapers in the morning!
Yeah, you're right. Actions do have consequences. Perhaps those people should pay more for health insurance but I don't think denying them all health care is the answer. At least, it's not the type of society in which I want to live.
Other countries have universal health care. They spend less than we do. What is their secret? (They're less obese, for one, so maybe a "fat tax" is part of the solution.)
Edit: Don't smokers have lower lifetime health costs than non-smokers? They die earlier.
Maybe I watch too much cable news. Would I be happier not hearing these rants? Last night in the debate prior to passage, Boehner once again claimed this was going to bankrupt the country (notwithstanding that he remains happy with the Bush tax cuts for the top 1% leaving us with a $trillion defict); another GOP representative stated this this will destroy our constitutional form of government. Fox News pundits have been echoing those sentiments all week.How so? I haven't followed the debate, so I don't know what you are referring to. What, specifically, about the bill is socialistic, and how exactly is a Hell on earth?
Is non-rescission not reform? What about exclusions for pre-existing conditions?
A number of the changes, like non-recission, take effect almost immediately (some within 90 days and others 120 days). Here is a blurb just posted:And when do those take effect?
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And when do those take effect?
Good question. The Republicans ranted about the "Corn Husker" provisions, et al. But not one voted for the fixes that would remove those provisions. This think is law now. And the most controversial parts are delayed until after the next Presidential election. If the economy follows its typical course, things will look okay then and Obama will get re-elected. If so there is no way this will get flat out repealed before 2017. If the Republicans really care about America it is time for them to stop ranting and start negotiating changes that will really help.So now that the big legislation is all but passed, can we expect that all of those people who cried out for more cost control in the bill will use the pending reconcilliation process to introduce real, meaningful, cost control amendments?
Seems like a very good forum for Republicans to improve the bill. Should we start a list of their proposals as they come out?
If the Republicans really care about America it is time for them to stop ranting and start negotiating changes that will really help.
I didn't ask or state anything about when they take effect. You did. I just stated that they're reforms.
I think there are two lines of reasoning on this.If the Republicans really care about America it is time for them to stop ranting and start negotiating changes that will really help.