I really like to see a comparison to the Australians who also have a vast country.
This is what my niece drives in Australia - Queensland. Big enough?
Her Dad (my brother) drives a station wagon and her mother a Toyota 4-Runner
I really like to see a comparison to the Australians who also have a vast country.
Once more, the rural parts of the country will pay for the public transportation in the metropolitan parts of the country, as the rural parts must drive more and therefore pay the lyons share of the tax. What kind of public transportation do you propose for the farmer in west Texas, or Kansas?
It is interesting that the assumption 'we must use less oil' is accepted, no discussion. Now I not saying it is or is is not, but I would say, before one strikes out at higher gas prices, which will most certainly have an adverse effect on not only our but the world economy, witness what happened when we got $4 gas, we should make sure that the assumption is truly in our best interest. As I see it there are two major arguments, most likely more, balance of trade and global warming. We might get an agreement on the first, but as to the effect of the use of oil on the second, I am almost positive you will not get an argeement on here or anywhere else in the general public.
Is there any question in your mind that demand will increase (population growth, emerging economies) faster than supply (the supply is relatively finite, no matter how many oil fields there are, they are not infinite)? I don't know how there could be, the only question is when? So our options are ultimately:It is interesting that the assumption 'we must use less oil' is accepted, no discussion. Now I not saying it is or is is not, but I would say, before one strikes out at higher gas prices, which will most certainly have an adverse effect on not only our but the world economy, witness what happened when we got $4 gas, we should make sure that the assumption is truly in our best interest. As I see it there are two major arguments, most likely more, balance of trade and global warming. We might get an agreement on the first, but as to the effect of the use of oil on the second, I am almost positive you will not get an argeement on here or anywhere else in the general public.
I grew up believing government had no role in our personal lives, all free market, fee regulations, etc.
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Believe me, I don't like taxes at all, but higher energy costs are inevitable and doing it through taxes and fees gives us some ability to control the rate of increase so consumers and manufacturers have some time to adapt. Prices are going to go higher anyway, I'd prefer controlled over uncontrolled which will be more unpredictable and may happen faster than we can adapt to.
Great idea - just like post #1 in this thread:These are the same reasons why I think that some govt intervention in this area could be for the "common good". The free market *will* take care of the problem on it's own, but just like the reactions we had to $4 gas, it could be painful. IMO, a more controlled, gradual process could be better for all.
Of course, if the govt intervention is done in the typical bone-headed fashion, then we are probably better off with the dog-eat-dog free market than tons of unintended consequences.
One thing I've been thinking lately - since raising gas taxes in a recession probably is not a good idea, and would not fly anyhow, maybe just the "power of suggestion" would be enough? What if the govt announced that starting in say, 2012, a gas tax would be initiated which would keep the floor at/above a certain level. And that floor would rise by 24 cents a year ( 1 cent on the 1st and 15th of each month) until certain conservation goals were reached. Kept revenue neutral - the taxes would be returned to consumers (I think samclem suggested increasing the number of people who qualify for the 10% marginal rate - sounds good).
Now, that would cause zero hardship today, but people would have three years to start planning. Put a sign at every gas pump indicating future gas prices. Have people sign a form when they apply for their state plates each year. More people would *plan* to buy a higher mpg car over the next few years. Manufacturers of high mpg cars could count on increased demand. More people could consider their commute, telecommuting options, car-pooling options when looking for a new job or new home, and a thousand other conservation measures.
Just like the market responds to future expectations, we could influence behavior today with future expectations for gas prices at zero extra cost today.
-ERD50
However, this could cripple the D3 short term, so it might need to announced to begin in 4 years or phased in to a) give D3 automakers time to develop models for a $4-8/gallon USA and b) to give consumers time to plan their purchases. Automakers and consumers who don't will risk the consequences.
Great idea - just like post #1 in this thread:
With our prior debt/deficits and the new stimulus, the Fed is going have to cut services and/or raise revenues. They've never cut services in any meaningful way that I am aware of. So if they are going to increases revenues (taxes) anyway, I am advocating doing it in part by taxing motor fuels more heavily (although phased in or beginning at a specified date some years in the future). Again, fuel costs are going to increase as (energy) supply and demand inevitably get further out of whack. And again, we can go through this in a somewhat controlled manner (so we can all have a chance to adapt) or uncontrolled (let economics dictate). Both will work in the end, but the latter could be terribly disruptive and I'd argue ultimately more painful.My objection to an additional gas tax is that it is just another way to extract money from us. Adding an extra $1 to the price of gas would cost my household over $1000 per year.
So if we must drive small cars, at least a CAFE approach doesn't ratchet up the taxes. I just have no faith in the government to not suck up whatever money they can (and then some).
Oh sure they'll refund some of it to those they deem to be worthy. But I have a suspicion that it won't be me.
So if we have to drive fuel efficient cars, I vote for a CAFE approach.
With our prior debt/deficits and the new stimulus, the Fed is going have to cut services and/or raise revenues. They've never cut services in any meaningful way that I am aware of. So if they are going to increases revenues (taxes) anyway, I am advocating doing it in part by taxing motor fuels more heavily (although phased in or beginning at a specified date some years in the future).
CAFE does nothing to change behavior IMO. GM/Ford et al can build all the Federally mandated small cars they want, but if consumers buy SUV's because they can afford the gas, what has CAFE done for us? Our behavior this decade clearly shows we'll respond to gas prices and not what CAFE or tree-huggers tell us is best...
You've got my vote! What are you running for?In my opinion, the best way to fund additional government services is to have a tax on liberals. That way those that want to fund poorly run, poorly thought out programs with marginal results will have the opportunity to fund such.
For the rest of us, we stand wary of the governments offer to help us.
In my opinion, the best way to fund additional government services is to have a tax on liberals. That way those that want to fund poorly run, poorly thought out programs with marginal results will have the opportunity to fund such.
For the rest of us, we stand wary of the governments offer to help us.