Coronavirus - Health and preparedness aspects - II

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From the eminent pathologist Dr James Robb:
Date: February 26, 2020

Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic.

Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip – do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home’s entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can’t immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average – everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you – it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth – it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY “cold-like” symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us! Jim
James Robb, MD FCAP

Dr. Robb is a recognized expert in biospecimen science with over 50 years of experience in molecular pathology, virology, and genetics. He is board certified in anatomic pathology, clinical pathology, cytopathology, and dermatopathology. Dr. Robb is a consulting pathologist to the National Cancer Institute (NCI) and the Office of Biorepositories and Biospecimen Research (OBBR).
 
An Italian representative wearing a face mask to congress. He was laughed at and was furious. (Don't have the link)

There are more than 2000 cases in northern Italy already. Still wearing a mask is not being looked at as a form of protection.
 
"Wearing a mask doesn't protect you"

"We need masks to protect health care workers"

?
 
Medscape Update

Latest update from Medscape dated March 3.



https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/926089


"The mortality rate associated with COVID-19 may be "considerably less than 1%," instead of the 2% reported by some groups, write Anthony Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and colleagues in an editorial published February 28 in the New England Journal of Medicine."


"This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively."
 
I would like to see an estimate of how many people would die from the seasonal flu if no one had the vaccine. I've searched for that but nobody has speculated apparently.
 
Wearing a mask protects someone in close contact with an infected person, but it does little for someone walking on a street. The health care worker is literally in the face of the sick person and needs the protection
 
I would like to see an estimate of how many people would die from the seasonal flu if no one had the vaccine. I've searched for that but nobody has speculated apparently.

I was told flu vaccine is only 50% effective so 1/2 of those people who had the shot would be infected, and small percentage of those would die.
 
"Wearing a mask doesn't protect you"

"We need masks to protect health care workers"

?

The way I look at it:

A mask does little for a layperson in casual contact.
but
A health care worker who is typically up close with repeated sick people day in and day out, save the masks for them, because every little helps.
 
Wearing a mask protects someone in close contact with an infected person, but it does little for someone walking on a street. The health care worker is literally in the face of the sick person and needs the protection

How far do you stand back from the register when shopping? They put the credit card machine about 2 feet from the cashier. You going to use one of those extend a hand grabbers to put your card in so you can maintain 6+ feet?
 
Wearing a mask protects someone in close contact with an infected person, but it does little for someone walking on a street. The health care worker is literally in the face of the sick person and needs the protection

Careful, MichaelB. You're expressing nuance.
 
I do get it that if we assume 100% of the health care workers are infected, because they are treating infected people, then it makes more sense for them to wear masks, not for their protection, but to protect the healthy patients they are treating.

I have not seen this argument in the media though.
 
I do get it that if we assume 100% of the health care workers are infected, because they are treating infected people, then it makes more sense for them to wear masks, not for their protection, but to protect the healthy patients they are treating.

I have not seen this argument in the media though.

It would make it harder to recruit new workers, or keep the ones currently working. :cool:
 
"Wearing a mask doesn't protect you"

"We need masks to protect health care workers"

?


Part of the problem is the kind of masks that people are using, so far the N-95 rated is the only one that's recommended by the CDC. People are buying and wearing any mask. The general public doesn't know the proper way to wear the mask. The N-95 is a thicker material and can be hard for some people to breath with one on. Even the N-95 aren't meant to be wore many times before disposing. I would hope that most health care workers are trained in wearing a mask and how it should fit. AND that they would have enough masks available to wear only once when in contact with a patient and then dispose of it.

I'm surprised at the seniors on this forum, that are more susceptible to the COVID-19 due to age, putting themselves in harms way by going to crowded public events. Why wouldn't you isolate yourself now and enjoy life when things are back to normal?
 
Meanshile, 19 dead in Nashville (reported so far).... perspective.

... due to a tornado. That's an awfully high number of deaths. Good thing a tornado is not a long-lasting event.
 
I'm surprised at the seniors on this forum, that are more susceptible to the COVID-19 due to age, putting themselves in harms way by going to crowded public events. Why wouldn't you isolate yourself now and enjoy life when things are back to normal?


Maybe because they can take basic precautions, not be fearful and enjoy life now?
 
I was driving my car to the garage early this morning for maintenance service and noticed a woman driving behind me in my rear view mirror. Here eyes were in tears and she was coughing and sneezing very badly. She either had the flu or a very bad cold. What was disturbing was that her child was next to her in the passenger seat. I assume she was driver her child to school. Observing that scene, I shook my head and thought how many kids in that school will get sick because of this woman's actions.
 
Meanshile, 19 dead in Nashville (reported so far).... perspective.

One thousand died from tobacco today, 102 from car crashes.

BUT, that's an apples to oranges comparison, because COVID-19 is a future threat, not a current one. The risk of catching it is minuscule now, but that's likely to change.

Like the guy falling from a tall building. Halfway down, he says, "Well, so far, so good."
 
We've been skeptical about reports that the disease is waning in China, but the decrease may be real (and related to strict measures).

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...coronavirus-they-may-not-work-other-countries

... the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Chinese government that allowed 13 foreigners to join 12 Chinese scientists on a tour of five cities in China to study the state of the COVID-19 epidemic and the effectiveness of the country’s response. The findings surprised several of the visiting scientists. “I thought there was no way those numbers could be real,” says epidemiologist Tim Eckmanns of the Robert Koch Institute, who was part of the mission.

But the report is unequivocal. “China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic,” it says. “This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real.”​

But,

There’s also uncertainty about what the virus, dubbed SARS-CoV-2, will do in China after the country inevitably lifts some of its strictest control measures and restarts its economy. COVID-19 cases may well increase again.​
 
Nobody in the USA died yesterday to a shark bite, but that doesn't mean I am going to swim in the ocean with a bloody fish head tied to my ankle.
 
I opened my fridge today and saw this::facepalm:

Corona.jpg
 
A health care worker in Placerville was diagnosed yesterday which means likely many people have been exposed. Since we aren’t far from there it will be here soon.
 
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